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Donkeykongrunner
07-03-2010, 01:07 PM
This board is dead. Let's debate.

Sub 14?
Sub 13:50?
Sub 12 flat?

PEBBLE
07-03-2010, 02:24 PM
3 miles

DirtyRobe
07-03-2010, 03:31 PM
I think he breaks the record.
13:49ish
He's the only one I've seen that can replicate the run that Derrick made at the record, except I think Lukas gets it done.

Donkeykongrunner
07-03-2010, 03:33 PM
I believe Lucas is graduating next year to attempt to catch up with his age group so this will be his last run at the record. If he stays healthy I think he gets it.

13:46.

zpppe
07-03-2010, 03:37 PM
13:37

kapolpak
07-03-2010, 04:32 PM
im betting 1355, i dont see him getting it

BONK
07-03-2010, 04:39 PM
I don't think he can break the record either. He can probably get the 14 minute barrier, but he hasn't shown enough improvement to make me believe he can have a better day than Derrick or Virgin.

kapolpak
07-03-2010, 04:51 PM
You also have to keep in mind that Lvs been kinda injury prone these last two years

DirtyRobe
07-03-2010, 08:42 PM
13:37

A pretty bold prediction don't ya think? Something THAT fast should have some justification.

Col Crunch
07-03-2010, 11:18 PM
3 miles

He's going to run through the chute?

Umm
07-03-2010, 11:26 PM
A pretty bold prediction don't ya think? Something THAT fast should have some justification.

I think we've learned by now to ignore whatever zpppe posts.

DirtyRobe
07-04-2010, 01:14 PM
I think we've learned by now to ignore whatever zpppe posts.

I know, I was just hoping to witness a trainwreck today if you know what I'm sayin. ;)

Chonka10
07-04-2010, 02:19 PM
A pretty bold prediction don't ya think? Something THAT fast should have some justification.

BECAUSE LUKAS IS 1337

watch me run
07-04-2010, 07:50 PM
BECAUSE LUKAS IS 1337

Whoa! That just blew my mind haha :D

Doc Awesome
07-04-2010, 11:51 PM
BECAUSE LUKAS IS 1337

lukas isnt american born, therefore, he cannot celebrate the 4th of july, nor is allowed to go outside on this glorious day

Swoosh13
07-05-2010, 01:02 AM
Wouldn't be surprised to see him somewhere in the 13:40s

kmatus
07-05-2010, 05:58 AM
BECAUSE LUKAS IS 1337

it's a birthmark on the back of his head.....

zpppe
07-08-2010, 10:20 PM
LV is a beast and if he can stay injury free, and get more than an early season invite, a conference and a sectional race under his belt he should be able to run fast. How many guys have come to Detweiler with a 4:04 mile? I wish he would've ran smarter at NBN. If he is in the shape to run low 8:40's upper 8:30's he should be able to run very fast. Maybe 13:37 is a little fast but probably not too far off. And isn't it his goal to break the national 5000m record? I believe that record is currently 13:37, so all he has to do is run the same time for 178 meters less.

BBarker
07-09-2010, 10:26 AM
LV is a beast and if he can stay injury free, and get more than an early season invite, a conference and a sectional race under his belt he should be able to run fast. How many guys have come to Detweiler with a 4:04 mile? I wish he would've ran smarter at NBN. If he is in the shape to run low 8:40's upper 8:30's he should be able to run very fast. Maybe 13:37 is a little fast but probably not too far off. And isn't it his goal to break the national 5000m record? I believe that record is currently 13:37, so all he has to do is run the same time for 178 meters less.

grass..... is not a track...

Niden
07-09-2010, 10:29 AM
grass..... is not a track...

Grass tracks do exist..

mainesouthxcdad
07-10-2010, 12:22 PM
Lukas won the USAT Flatland Junior Elite Cup race at the Flatlands Youth Triathlon Festival in Des Moines, Iowa, this morning, thus qualifying for the ITU Junior Triathlon World Championships in Budapest, Hungary, on Sept. 8-12, 2010. His triathlon team, Multisport Madness, took the top four spots in the boys Junior Elite race!

Chonka10
07-10-2010, 01:32 PM
LV is a beast and if he can stay injury free, and get more than an early season invite, a conference and a sectional race under his belt he should be able to run fast. How many guys have come to Detweiler with a 4:04 mile? I wish he would've ran smarter at NBN. If he is in the shape to run low 8:40's upper 8:30's he should be able to run very fast. Maybe 13:37 is a little fast but probably not too far off. And isn't it his goal to break the national 5000m record? I believe that record is currently 13:37, so all he has to do is run the same time for 178 meters less.

Virgin ran 13:50 in not-that-great conditions in 1972, and went on to run 8:43iy. Verzbicas has only gone 8:54. Fernandez ran 8:34y and people on the boards a couple years ago didn't put him anywhere near sub-13:40. Do you realize how insanely fast 13:37 is on an xc course? Verzbicas hasn't shown anything that puts him at a mark at or better than either of those two, let alone challenge sub-13:40 on the track.

grass..... is not a track...

Precisely.
Grass tracks do exist..

Out of context, noob.

HappyJack
07-10-2010, 02:04 PM
When Virgin ran he was the first runner on the course. Only 1 class and no girls back then. L.V. will have to content with a course that will have 5 races before his. If it has had any recent rain on it he nor anyone else will ever come close to Virgins record.

DirtyRobe
07-10-2010, 02:24 PM
Virgin ran 13:50 in not-that-great conditions in 1972, and went on to run 8:43iy. Verzbicas has only gone 8:54. Fernandez ran 8:34y and people on the boards a couple years ago didn't put him anywhere near sub-13:40. Do you realize how insanely fast 13:37 is on an xc course? Verzbicas hasn't shown anything that puts him at a mark at or better than either of those two, let alone challenge sub-13:40 on the track..

Just because Lukas has only gone 8:54 doesn't mean that's the fastest he could've gone. With his 4:04 mile PR and the dumb way he ran NBN going out in 4:17 I think it's pretty obvious he can do faster than 8:54.

LV is a beast and if he can stay injury free, and get more than an early season invite, a conference and a sectional race under his belt he should be able to run fast. How many guys have come to Detweiler with a 4:04 mile? I wish he would've ran smarter at NBN. If he is in the shape to run low 8:40's upper 8:30's he should be able to run very fast. Maybe 13:37 is a little fast but probably not too far off. And isn't it his goal to break the national 5000m record? I believe that record is currently 13:37, so all he has to do is run the same time for 178 meters less.

This would make some sense if he had already run a 13:37 5k, but he hasn't.

Swoosh13
07-10-2010, 03:03 PM
I think it's kind of funny that a huge chunk of people thought he was going to break the record last year when he had never accomplished anything, and now that he actually has people don't think he will this year. I was strongly adamant last year that there was no way he was going to get it or even break 14, but this year I think he has a very good shot at it

DirtyRobe
07-10-2010, 04:46 PM
I think it's kind of funny that a huge chunk of people thought he was going to break the record last year when he had never accomplished anything, and now that he actually has people don't think he will this year. I was strongly adamant last year that there was no way he was going to get it or even break 14, but this year I think he has a very good shot at it

I see this happening too. I think a lot of people are thinking "well, if he didn't do it last year, he won't do it this year". They kinda learned their lesson about predicting a record breaker so to speak.

RisingSun
07-10-2010, 05:11 PM
Just because Lukas has only gone 8:54 doesn't mean that's the fastest he could've gone. With his 4:04 mile PR and the dumb way he ran NBN going out in 4:17 I think it's pretty obvious he can do faster than 8:54.

If I had a nickel for every time I have heard "I [he] could have gone faster..." I would be a very rich man. Most popular line to defend your times.

Chonka10
07-10-2010, 05:34 PM
Just because Lukas has only gone 8:54 doesn't mean that's the fastest he could've gone. With his 4:04 mile PR and the dumb way he ran NBN going out in 4:17 I think it's pretty obvious he can do faster than 8:54.


Well obviously his 4:04 is indicative that he was in better than 8:54 shape, but he still wasn't close to 8:34y shape as we clearly saw at NBN. He's somewhere in the middle, and that proves my point that he isn't in not just record-breaking, but record-obliterating shape. I never said he was going to break the record or not, I was saying that he wasn't in sub-13:40 shape as zpppe "boldly" predicted.

Swoosh13
07-10-2010, 09:29 PM
If I had a nickel for every time I have heard "I [he] could have gone faster..." I would be a very rich man. Most popular line to defend your times.

Almost as good as "I [he] was just running it as a workout" or "wasn't going all out".

DirtyRobe
07-11-2010, 12:15 AM
If I had a nickel for every time I have heard "I [he] could have gone faster..." I would be a very rich man. Most popular line to defend your times.

So you're saying that Lukas' 8:54 PR is entirely indicative of what kind of shape he is in or was in at the time? And that by no means whatsoever can he run faster than an 8:54?

Well obviously his 4:04 is indicative that he was in better than 8:54 shape, but he still wasn't close to 8:34y shape as we clearly saw at NBN. He's somewhere in the middle, and that proves my point that he isn't in not just record-breaking, but record-obliterating shape. I never said he was going to break the record or not, I was saying that he wasn't in sub-13:40 shape as zpppe "boldly" predicted.

Absolutely. No way is he even close to 8:34/13:37 shape by any means. I just mean to say that he is capable of faster than 8:54 and that fact should be taken into consideration when evaluating his record attempt.

RisingSun
07-11-2010, 01:18 AM
So you're saying that Lukas' 8:54 PR is entirely indicative of what kind of shape he is in or was in at the time? And that by no means whatsoever can he run faster than an 8:54?

I'm not arguing what kind of shape he is or isn't in. He has run 4:04 and 8:54 in two different races. When he runs faster than 8:54 I'm sure there will be people saying "oh, well yeah he ran a 8:46 but he could have totally gone faster."

zpppe
07-11-2010, 02:08 PM
Virgin ran 13:50 in not-that-great conditions in 1972, and went on to run 8:43iy. Verzbicas has only gone 8:54. Fernandez ran 8:34y and people on the boards a couple years ago didn't put him anywhere near sub-13:40. Do you realize how insanely fast 13:37 is on an xc course? Verzbicas hasn't shown anything that puts him at a mark at or better than either of those two, let alone challenge sub-13:40 on the track.

Well according to the results LV ran a 13:58 5k on the roads during his triathlon.
http://www.onlineraceresults.com/race/view_race.php#racetop

Swoosh13
07-11-2010, 04:21 PM
Well according to the results LV ran a 13:58 5k on the roads during his triathlon.
http://www.onlineraceresults.com/race/view_race.php#racetop

It's been pretty well established that those traithlon distances are far from official

mainesouthxcdad
07-11-2010, 04:22 PM
LV ran a 13:58 5k (4:34 pace) after swimming 750m and biking 20k. Not sure what it means for later this Fall, but he's in darn good shape right now.

This discussion just makes you appreciate what Virgin did all the more.

mainesouthxcdad
07-11-2010, 06:23 PM
It's been pretty well established that those traithlon distances are far from official

Agreed, but that generality might not apply to this particular race since it was a USAT-sanctioned qualifier for the Junior Elite Triathlon World Championship in Budapest in September. However, the course was moved to West Des Moines within the last week due to flooding in Des Moines, so I suppose that makes it a little more possible that it wasn't a true 5k.

I guess we'll just have to wait until LV runs a xc race against some good competition later this Fall to get a better handle on his chances to challenge Virgin's record.

Unclegingerbawlz
07-12-2010, 10:55 PM
LV ran a 13:58 5k (4:34 pace) after swimming 750m and biking 20k. Not sure what it means for later this Fall, but he's in darn good shape right now.

This discussion just makes you appreciate what Virgin did all the more.

Chris Derrick ftwzzzz

slicksebhat94
07-13-2010, 03:28 PM
yea the course chris derrick ran on was 10 seconds slower than the one virgin ran on. therefore you should appreciate what derrick did.

Swoosh13
07-13-2010, 09:12 PM
yea the course chris derrick ran on was 10 seconds slower than the one virgin ran on.

Says who? There aren't even full timed race results for Virgin's year, that makes finding the difference pretty difficult

Donkeykongrunner
07-13-2010, 11:57 PM
The distances in triathlons only have to be within a certain percent of what is supposed to be run. Even the official ones.

Chonka10
07-14-2010, 09:14 AM
The distances in triathlons only have to be within a certain percent of what is supposed to be run. Even the official ones.

It's something like 5 or 10% though

runonclouds
07-14-2010, 01:12 PM
I am skeptical of those tri/duathlon distances... im not entirely sure he was able to run 4:11 pace for 2.5k after running a 14:40 5k and biking like 25 mph for a little while at the world duathlon last year. The kid can run a 4:04 pace on the track (which don't get me wrong is freaking amazing), but that doesn't translate to being able to run 4:11 pace for 2.5k when tired

Donkeykongrunner
07-14-2010, 01:24 PM
It's something like 5 or 10% though

10% over 5k or whatever he ran is a huge amount.

Doc Awesome
07-14-2010, 02:51 PM
quit these shenanigans

DiscoGary
07-30-2010, 03:22 PM
I guess we'll just have to wait until LV runs a xc race against some good competition later this Fall to get a better handle on his chances to challenge Virgin's record.

There is no good competition. He will have to run like Derrick and Virgin, by himself... all year long. Graves was the last sub 14:00 guy to actually have competition. EDIT: That's wrong. Derrick did have competition, Havel.

No injuries, perfect conditions = 13:47
Chance that LV will get to run with no injuries and perfect conditions = 25%

There is no evidence that the 2007 course was "ten seconds" longer than the 1972 course. All evidence is that they were essentially the same.

greatfuture2come
08-05-2010, 10:37 PM
Looks like his season will not cap off with a state record. He is now in a relationship :D

Chonka10
08-05-2010, 11:18 PM
Looks like his season will not cap off with a state record. He is now in a relationship :D

1. STRONG STOCKER
2. Hopefully he doesn't pull a Derrick

greatfuture2come
08-05-2010, 11:23 PM
1. STRONG STOCKER
2. Hopefully he doesn't pull a Derrick

I didn't hear the Derrick story...?

the stogs
08-05-2010, 11:28 PM
I didn't hear the Derrick story...?
he got mono

greatfuture2come
08-05-2010, 11:44 PM
Well hopefully she just stays out of the way haha, so we can see what he can do when everything is going right for him. Then there would be no what if's or shoulda's.

Academy Express
08-27-2010, 11:00 PM
13:58....

Doc Awesome
08-27-2010, 11:43 PM
13:58....

u kidding me? I bet theres a better chance of him running naked during state

Academy Express
08-30-2010, 09:03 PM
Who cares what Lukas runs. Trevor Ells from Benet Academy is gonna kick his ass. His 18:12 last year means nothing

Doc Awesome
08-30-2010, 09:13 PM
Who cares what Lukas runs. Trevor Ells from Benet Academy is gonna kick his ass. His 18:12 last year means nothing
michael...stau....something from O'Fallon is fater. Therefore, he will win state

zpppe
08-31-2010, 10:51 AM
Who cares what Lukas runs. Trevor Ells from Benet Academy is gonna kick his ass. His 18:12 last year means nothing
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA no

Academy Express
08-31-2010, 12:15 PM
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA no

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yes

Doc Awesome
08-31-2010, 12:47 PM
I just heard that Lukas is returning to his home country transylbania and is going to live out his life as a beet farmer.

Confirmed?

Academy Express
08-31-2010, 12:55 PM
confirmed. he will still run but his number one priority is his beets.

mainesouthxcdad
09-12-2010, 02:43 PM
I heard that Lukas ran a 15:04 5k off the bike at the ITU World Championships today in Hungary. He came in fourth. Kevin McDowell from Geneva ran a 15:51 5k and took the bronze medal. On the girls side, Kelly Whitley from Geneva also came in fourth, although I didn't hear about her splits.

Great job by Team USA and by some quality kids.

geednimmer
10-01-2010, 09:00 AM
I think Lukas is making a mockery of this sport. He picks and chooses when he wants to run. Driggs will beat him at state.

DirtyRobe
10-01-2010, 09:07 AM
I think Lukas is making a mockery of this sport. He picks and chooses when he wants to run. Driggs will beat him at state.

I honestly hope he does. The chances are small in my opinion but I'll be rooting for him all the way.

Fitzxc27
10-01-2010, 09:27 AM
I think Lukas is making a mockery of this sport. He picks and chooses when he wants to run.
Not this again...Lukas just did junior worlds for the tri and you want him racing already? He is doing what is in his best interest...not running pointless duel meets where he wins by a minute when he could be training. He is not going to gain anything by thrashing competition at this point in the season. Sure it seems like he's not being a team player, but when Sandburg is at the state meet having that 1 point scorer will help them a ton.
Driggs will beat him at state.
Not likely though Driggs has been impressive thus far. I'll give him a 20% chance if Lukas is healthy.

geednimmer
10-01-2010, 10:25 AM
I dont care if he did the junior world Tri. When you are in high school, no matter how good you are in your sport. You choose to participate in that sport, you play that sport. It's absolutely ridiculous what he is doing. If he were in college would his coaches allow this? Even if he wins, most people are going to look at the 2nd place guy as the real winner. Driggs runs dual meets and thrashes the competition, why is that lukas feels he doesnt need to compete in some of these meets his team runs in?

HappyJack
10-01-2010, 12:57 PM
The IHSA rules state that teams must run, I don't remember exactly, 6 or 7 meets to be eligible for the State Series. Individual runners have no such rule to follow. You can show up at Regionals for your 1st meet and be good-to-go. Since L.V. is the defending National Champion who or why would anyone look at the #2 finisher as "the real state champ?" I say give the kid a break and let him do what he wants. He's breaking no rules and is giving a teammate a chance to run varsity. Why should he have to do a full season of x/c, indoor and outdoor track when clearly tri's. are his priority right now?

greenman
10-01-2010, 01:12 PM
Driggs would rather win state with Lukas in the field than without him.

OnTheCouch
10-01-2010, 01:24 PM
Driggs would rather win state with Lukas in the field than without him.

Admirable attitude. If you want to be the best, you need to beat the best.

Chonka10
10-01-2010, 02:51 PM
I dont care if he did the junior world Tri. When you are in high school, no matter how good you are in your sport. You choose to participate in that sport, you play that sport. It's absolutely ridiculous what he is doing. If he were in college would his coaches allow this? Even if he wins, most people are going to look at the 2nd place guy as the real winner. Driggs runs dual meets and thrashes the competition, why is that lukas feels he doesnt need to compete in some of these meets his team runs in?

Clearly you know nothing about how Lukas, Coach O'Malley and the team all handle things at Sandburg. Lukas's top priority has been, and will be triathlons, and his team and coaches are fine with that. When Lukas's tri season ends, he is fully vested in his teammates and the goals of the team. Talk to anyone on on Sandburg XC and they'll tell you that Lukas is a true team player. He had other fish to fry earlier but now he's back on board. What he does in college is a whole other issue that he'll deal with later, I'm sure.

Phenom Man
10-01-2010, 04:28 PM
Lukas ran 14:07 last year in the heat with a bad race. He destroyed everyone at footlocker and is arguably the best runner in the nation currently. Why would anyone think Driggs is going to beat him? Don't get me wrong. Driggs is a phenomenal runner and will run a great time, but Lukas is just better.

DirtyRobe
10-01-2010, 06:00 PM
Driggs would rather win state with Lukas in the field than without him.

Well obviously. But the question is would he rather get 2nd with Lukas in the race or 1st without Lukas in the race? Because that's what his options will most likely be.

PEBBLE
10-01-2010, 06:01 PM
Driggs would rather win state with Lukas in the field than without him.

Would anyone in the world not?

Fitzxc27
10-01-2010, 06:05 PM
Well obviously. But the question is would he rather get 2nd with Lukas in the race or 1st without Lukas in the race? Because that's what his options will most likely be.
Depends on if it is close or not. I would think he would prefer a close loss to Lukas to a huge victory without him. Sure it would be disappointing that he couldn't beat him but it would be nice to know that he could hang with the best, where if he dominates without Lukas it leaves the "what if?" question.

fortheshire
10-01-2010, 06:06 PM
Well obviously. But the question is would he rather get 2nd with Lukas in the race or 1st without Lukas in the race? Because that's what his options will most likely be.

Yes.

DirtyRobe
10-01-2010, 06:12 PM
Depends on if it is close or not. I would think he would prefer a close loss to Lukas to a huge victory without him. Sure it would be disappointing that he couldn't beat him but it would be nice to know that he could hang with the best, where if he dominates without Lukas it leaves the "what if?" question.
This is what I thought. I would assume someone like Driggs would want to race against Lukas in a chance to beat him. Having said that, being able to run against Lukas most likely costs him a state title, which is what I think will happen. It's interesting, and we just don't know, maybe someone needs to get him posting on here :D

Yes.

Well said.

greenman
10-01-2010, 11:41 PM
Well obviously. But the question is would he rather get 2nd with Lukas in the race or 1st without Lukas in the race? Because that's what his options will most likely be.It's a rhetorical and meaningless question...obviously Driggs wants Lukas in the race, whether he wins it or not as opposed to Lukas not being there at all. The other scenario plays no part in this.

Swoosh13
10-02-2010, 12:43 AM
I would rather have the state title, just sayin

DirtyRobe
10-02-2010, 07:21 AM
It's a rhetorical and meaningless question...obviously Driggs wants Lukas in the race, whether he wins it or not as opposed to Lukas not being there at all. The other scenario plays no part in this.

It wasn't meaningless or rhetorical. Your first statement was "he'd rather win state with him in the race than without him in the race", which is fine except for the fact in both of your scenarios Driggs is winning state. But I said that if Lukas is in the race he'd most likely get 2nd and therefore it would be interesting if he'd rather win or race and get 2nd.

And if Driggs does want Lukas in the race regardless of what happens then kudos to him.

greenman
10-02-2010, 07:48 AM
It wasn't meaningless or rhetorical. Your first statement was "he'd rather win state with him in the race than without him in the race", which is fine except for the fact in both of your scenarios Driggs is winning state. But I said that if Lukas is in the race he'd most likely get 2nd and therefore it would be interesting if he'd rather win or race and get 2nd.

And if Driggs does want Lukas in the race regardless of what happens then kudos to him.I consider it so because as an individual, Driggs wants to win state with LV in it...there is no other consideration so why speculate on that? He's not thinking about anything but racing LV. My statement succinctly said it all.

Now as a team member I'd say he would be happy with a second place finish as long as they win. He would also be happy with a first place win w/o LV if the team wins. He would also be happy with a win over LV and a team win.

He's just a happy guy (HappyJack?)

HappyJack
10-02-2010, 08:21 AM
I consider it so because as an individual, Driggs wants to win state with LV in it...there is no other consideration so why speculate on that? He's not thinking about anything but racing LV. My statement succinctly said it all.

Now as a team member I'd say he would be happy with a second place finish as long as they win. He would also be happy with a first place win w/o LV if the team wins. He would also be happy with a win over LV and a team win.

He's just a happy guy (HappyJack?)

I see what you did there and I approve. I am not counting HappyJack Driggs out of contention for a State Title. I don't think he's been sitting around feeling sorry for himself that curse his luck L.V. has to be on the scene at this particular time. He's been training hard also. If he can cover any surge that L.V. makes to break away he's got a good chance. Might be easier said than done but you need to have the confidence in your own ability that you can do this and not blowup. You can't let anyone intimidate you before the race starts.

greenman
10-02-2010, 08:31 AM
I see what you did there and I approve. I am not counting HappyJack Driggs out of contention for a State Title. I don't think he's been sitting around feeling sorry for himself that curse his luck L.V. has to be on the scene at this particular time. He's been training hard also. If he can cover any surge that L.V. makes to break away he's got a good chance. Might be easier said than done but you need to have the confidence in your own ability that you can do this and not blowup. You can't let anyone intimidate you before the race starts.I think he can run with him too. I think he's closed the gap on LV a lot more than he's given credit for. By any other standard, Driggs has been the dominant runner in Illinois this year...no one's challenged him and he's raced everyone.

DirtyRobe
10-02-2010, 03:03 PM
I consider it so because as an individual, Driggs wants to win state with LV in it...there is no other consideration so why speculate on that? He's not thinking about anything but racing LV. My statement succinctly said it all.

Now as a team member I'd say he would be happy with a second place finish as long as they win. He would also be happy with a first place win w/o LV if the team wins. He would also be happy with a win over LV and a team win.

He's just a happy guy (HappyJack?)

I don't think you getting my and PEBBLE's point here...

PEBBLE
10-02-2010, 03:21 PM
I don't think you getting my and PEBBLE's point here...

Yeah, he's missing it. There are three scenarios right now. Obviously, Driggs or Verzbicas might blow up and someone not named Lukas or Jack could go 1 or 2, but let's say it is them two.

1. Jack beats Lukas
2. Lukas beats Jack
3. Jack wins without Lukas

Who wouldn't want a state championship? greenman is saying that Jack would rather have situation 1 than 3. Well duh. But why have #2 over #3? You're saying he would rather lose to Lukas than win?

kapolpak
10-02-2010, 03:32 PM
Lukas ran 14:07 last year in the heat with a bad race. He destroyed everyone at footlocker and is arguably the best runner in the nation currently. Why would anyone think Driggs is going to beat him? Don't get me wrong. Driggs is a phenomenal runner and will run a great time, but Lukas is just better.

Do people forget that he lost NBN to both rosas? No denying the kids a freak athlete, but hes not unbeatable, Driggs definately has a chance to beat him

greenman
10-02-2010, 03:34 PM
I don't think you getting my and PEBBLE's point here...

Yeah, he's missing it. There are three scenarios right now. Obviously, Driggs or Verzbicas might blow up and someone not named Lukas or Jack could go 1 or 2, but let's say it is them two.

1. Jack beats Lukas
2. Lukas beats Jack
3. Jack wins without Lukas

Who wouldn't want a state championship? greenman is saying that Jack would rather have situation 1 than 3. Well duh. But why have #2 over #3? You're saying he would rather lose to Lukas than win?Your point is meaningless because the only scenario Driggs wants is to beat LV and win state. Anything less will not be what he wants. How hard is this to understand?

Fitzxc27
10-02-2010, 03:38 PM
Do people forget that he lost NBN to both rosas?
When he thought he'd go ahead and go for that H.S. 2 mile record and went out in 4:17? When he's not attempting to hit times he's better than pretty much anybody else...when he tries to do something outside of his ability is when he gets burned. So as long as he doesn't attempt to run 13:40 at detweiler or something like that he'll probably win.

Chonka10
10-02-2010, 03:42 PM
When he thought he'd go ahead and go for that H.S. 2 mile record and went out in 4:17? When he's not attempting to hit times he's better than pretty much anybody else...when he tries to do something outside of his ability is when he gets burned. So as long as he doesn't attempt to run 13:40 at detweiler or something like that he'll probably win.

Exactly this. When he was in it to win it at FLN, he was untouchable. When he went against the clock at NBN, he came up short. Does anyone still remember him thoroughly dismantling Solomon Haile at MDG 2 years ago? Lukas is a smart kid, he knows what he's doing out there.

PEBBLE
10-02-2010, 05:12 PM
Your point is meaningless because the only scenario Driggs wants is to beat LV and win state. Anything less will not be what he wants. How hard is this to understand?

very

DirtyRobe
10-02-2010, 05:33 PM
very

I agree, our minds are too inferior.

Illinois Prep PHD
10-02-2010, 05:47 PM
I dont care if he did the junior world Tri. When you are in high school, no matter how good you are in your sport. You choose to participate in that sport, you play that sport. It's absolutely ridiculous what he is doing. If he were in college would his coaches allow this? Even if he wins, most people are going to look at the 2nd place guy as the real winner. Driggs runs dual meets and thrashes the competition, why is that lukas feels he doesnt need to compete in some of these meets his team runs in?

Not to personally attack you sir, but you are absolutely lost it... and I hope you are not a coach either. Just from a health standpoint, you would want the kid to recover from the championships both mentally and physically before resuming any type of racing. Lukas is not some regular varsity kid or even jv where you deem him expendable. If that were to happen, I would not blame his parents for pulling him from high school. Finally, do you remember that Lukas was in a boot last year? Stress fracture! He is doing the right thing right now.

HUNTOARBHUNTED
10-02-2010, 06:11 PM
Why wasn't Lucas at Peoria today? Is he hurt?

DirtyRobe
10-02-2010, 06:12 PM
Not to personally attack you sir, but you are absolutely lost it... and I hope you are not a coach either. Just from a health standpoint, you would want the kid to recover from the championships both mentally and physically before resuming any type of racing. Lukas is not some regular varsity kid or even jv where you deem him expendable. If that were to happen, I would not blame his parents for pulling him from high school. Finally, do you remember that Lukas was in a boot last year? Stress fracture! He is doing the right thing right now.

I actually agree with geednimmer here. Just because of his talent he shouldn't be allowed to receive this kind of special treatment. He should show up for his team day in a day out, or not be a part of the team at all. I realize the Sandburg team and staff don't mind this, but I'm just giving my two cents on the subject.

zpppe
10-02-2010, 07:18 PM
Why wasn't Lucas at Peoria today? Is he hurt?

Nah, still recovering/training after triathlon worlds.

emdeb
10-02-2010, 08:19 PM
Why wasn't Lucas at Peoria today? Is he hurt?

He is most likely running next weekend.

kmatus
10-02-2010, 08:21 PM
Gosh I am really tired of the Lukas haters. It is so old. Get off it and let the kid alone. Get a life.

Leftfielder
10-02-2010, 09:35 PM
He will in the thick of things soon enough. And he will be the only former footlocker champion to ever compete on the course there in Peoria come November.

knife
10-03-2010, 12:17 AM
He is most likely running next weekend.

Where at? The HS race at the Chicago Marathon?

usnspecialist
10-03-2010, 04:56 AM
Where at? The HS race at the Chicago Marathon?

no lukas is too good for the mere mortals in that race, he has decided to run the full marathon against the professionals.

emdeb
10-03-2010, 08:10 AM
Where at? The HS race at the Chicago Marathon?

Yes.

Swoosh13
10-03-2010, 08:33 AM
Yes.

Is Sandburg doing that race or is he doing it alone?

roller coaster
10-03-2010, 09:06 AM
Is Sandburg doing that race or is he doing it alone?

Sandburg will have 7 runners there. Neuqua valley will also be participating. Coaches that aren't doing this are really missing the boat for a cool opporunity for their kids.

used2bfast
10-03-2010, 01:54 PM
Sandburg will have 7 runners there. Neuqua valley will also be participating. Coaches that aren't doing this are really missing the boat for a cool opporunity for their kids.

Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. 6 days before the conference meet, line up my top 7 runners and have them race in a crowd on pavement. No thank you, I'll skip that boat.

HUNTOARBHUNTED
10-03-2010, 03:32 PM
Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. 6 days before the conference meet, line up my top 7 runners and have them race in a crowd on pavement. No thank you, I'll skip that boat.

I agree. Less meets the better. Each meet takes 3 days of training away. Plus, why risk the injuries and waste energy being nervous?

RisingSun
10-03-2010, 04:12 PM
I agree. Less meets the better. Each meet takes 3 days of training away. Plus, why risk the injuries and waste energy being nervous?

That is almost a Jeff Thode saying right there. Wasting energy being nervous? Are you kidding me? I'm sure what ever teams are racing there, their coaches have planned accordingly. Plus I hear that Nike is giving free stuff to the athletes that are participating in the race. To me, it sounds like a really cool experience that the runners will remember over the years.

Swoosh13
10-04-2010, 04:55 AM
Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. 6 days before the conference meet, line up my top 7 runners and have them race in a crowd on pavement. No thank you, I'll skip that boat.

Ya I wouldn't race my varsity guys there, but that's just me

roller coaster
10-04-2010, 07:06 AM
Well, it depends on what you want to get out of it. It's a really cool experience for the kids. They get gear (technically, the gear - shorts, tank tops, shoes - are donated to the school), special seating if they want to watch the marathon finish, get to meet and chat up Nike Elite athletes, breakfast, cool awards. You can go there and have the kids run easy/medium/hard. It wasn't very crowded at all last year, but there are more teams doing it this year. It's a nice reward for your runners. Just my 2 cents.

Doc Awesome
10-04-2010, 11:29 AM
That is almost a Jeff Thode saying right there. Wasting energy being nervous? Are you kidding me? I'm sure what ever teams are racing there, their coaches have planned accordingly. Plus I hear that Nike is giving free stuff to the athletes that are participating in the race. To me, it sounds like a really cool experience that the runners will remember over the years.
he didnt miss spell any words, nor mentioned sharks or his tatoo he's gonna get

so your argument is invaild

RisingSun
10-04-2010, 02:24 PM
he didnt miss spell any words, nor mentioned sharks or his tatoo he's gonna get

so your argument is invaild

Not so fast Doc. I do recall a story Manfrin told me in which he was chatting with Jeff on facebook and asked him what he thought about an upcoming race. Thode's response was "I don't think about races before them because I don't want to waste energy."

I think I proved my validity.

slicksebhat94
10-04-2010, 07:16 PM
he didnt miss spell any words, nor mentioned sharks or his tatoo he's gonna get

so your argument is invaild

hahahaahaha.

Doc Awesome
10-04-2010, 08:16 PM
Not so fast Doc. I do recall a story Manfrin told me in which he was chatting with Jeff on facebook and asked him what he thought about an upcoming race. Thode's response was "I don't think about races before them because I don't want to waste energy."

I think I proved my validity.
that does sound like thode though. but im assuming ur para-phrasing his response because it doesnt have any misspelled words and has periods

itfeelsgood09
10-04-2010, 08:46 PM
It's a rhetorical and meaningless question...obviously Driggs wants Lukas in the race, whether he wins it or not as opposed to Lukas not being there at all. The other scenario plays no part in this.

I consider it so because as an individual, Driggs wants to win state with LV in it...there is no other consideration so why speculate on that? He's not thinking about anything but racing LV. My statement succinctly said it all.

Now as a team member I'd say he would be happy with a second place finish as long as they win. He would also be happy with a first place win w/o LV if the team wins. He would also be happy with a win over LV and a team win.

He's just a happy guy (HappyJack?)

Your point is meaningless because the only scenario Driggs wants is to beat LV and win state. Anything less will not be what he wants. How hard is this to understand?

I'm seriously having a hard time understanding this. Do you represent Driggs? Are you his attorney? I think that there IS a lot of speculation to be had here. Unless you've been discussing this with him, which I don't think any other posters have that opportunity ...Don't get me wrong though, I know you have a lot of connections to York runners but I'm a little confused as to how you know exactly what he thinks. In my opinion he should want to beat the best but couldn't his opinion also be that LV isn't even from the U.S. and isn't a team player, so why should I have to race him? That might not be what he's thinking but it's definitely possible.

PEBBLE
10-04-2010, 08:48 PM
I'm seriously having a hard time understanding this. Do you represent Driggs? Are you his attorney? I think that there IS a lot of speculation to be had here. Unless you've been discussing this with him, which I don't think any other posters have that opportunity ...Don't get me wrong though, I know you have a lot of connections to York runners but I'm a little confused as to how you know exactly what he thinks. In my opinion he should want to beat the best but couldn't his opinion also be that LV isn't even from the U.S. and isn't a team player, so why should I have to race him? That might not be what he's thinking but it's definitely possible.

greenman is not employed by Ben-Jarvus-Green-Ellis.

Doc Awesome
10-04-2010, 08:52 PM
greenman is not employed by Ben-Jarvus-Green-Ellis.
stfu!

roller coaster
10-05-2010, 01:50 PM
Lukas is running on Sunday...according to the Nike reps who dropped the gear off at Sandburg.

greenman
10-05-2010, 03:32 PM
I'm seriously having a hard time understanding this. Do you represent Driggs? Are you his attorney? I think that there IS a lot of speculation to be had here. Unless you've been discussing this with him, which I don't think any other posters have that opportunity ...Don't get me wrong though, I know you have a lot of connections to York runners but I'm a little confused as to how you know exactly what he thinks. In my opinion he should want to beat the best but couldn't his opinion also be that LV isn't even from the U.S. and isn't a team player, so why should I have to race him? That might not be what he's thinking but it's definitely possible.No, it couldn't.

The reason I know is because a friend of mine is close to the Driggs' family and he often gives me feedback...he spends more time talking to them while I spend more time talking to the coaches.

Also, if you know sports, athletes will focus their mindset on a particular goal. Jack's focus isn't on training to run against a field without Lukas in it...he is training himself to be ready to face Lukas...why would he possibly even consider any of the other options?

He has been particularly focusing on his first mile with the assumption he will need to be around 4:35 to be with Lukas.

Do you guys still think he's not going to be disappointed if he doesn't get his shot at him? These other scenarios are created by other posters for who knows what reason. They serve no purpose except for supposition about something that doesn't even exist within Jack himself.

Any elite runner wants to test himself against the best, if you don't think Jack is that way then I'll gladly disagree with you and these others.

And I'm waiting to represent him when he runs 3:50....more money in it.

DirtyRobe
10-05-2010, 06:17 PM
No, it couldn't.

The reason I know is because a friend of mine is close to the Driggs' family and he often gives me feedback...he spends more time talking to them while I spend more time talking to the coaches.

Also, if you know sports, athletes will focus their mindset on a particular goal. Jack's focus isn't on training to run against a field without Lukas in it...he is training himself to be ready to face Lukas...why would he possibly even consider any of the other options?

He has been particularly focusing on his first mile with the assumption he will need to be around 4:35 to be with Lukas.

Do you guys still think he's not going to be disappointed if he doesn't get his shot at him? These other scenarios are created by other posters for who knows what reason. They serve no purpose except for supposition about something that doesn't even exist within Jack himself.

Any elite runner wants to test himself against the best, if you don't think Jack is that way then I'll gladly disagree with you and these others.

And I'm waiting to represent him when he runs 3:50....more money in it.

Mile or 1500? :p

Because he's not gonna run a 3:50 mile. Haven't you heard? He goes to York.

Leftfielder
10-05-2010, 06:24 PM
Mile or 1500? :p

Because he's not gonna run a 3:50 mile. Haven't you heard? He goes to York.

Now lets work this out: Driggs runs almost 2 seconds faster as a junior than Sage. And Don ran 4:00.xx for the mile a year later. By extrapolation this must mean that Driggs will run 3:58.xx at the Prefontaine Meet next June.

PenultimateStep
10-05-2010, 06:38 PM
Now lets work this out: Driggs runs almost 2 seconds faster as a junior than Sage. And Don ran 4:00.xx for the mile a year later. By extrapolation this must mean that Driggs will run 3:58.xx at the Prefontaine Meet next June.

I don't like the use of the word "extrapolation" here because it carries a connotation that there is some doubt about this event's future occurrence

DirtyRobe
10-05-2010, 06:45 PM
I don't like the use of the word "extrapolation" here because it carries a connotation that there is some doubt about this event's future occurrence

I agree. You're absolutely right because there is no doubt.

Doc Awesome
10-05-2010, 10:03 PM
No, it couldn't.

The reason I know is because a friend of mine is close to the Driggs' family and he often gives me feedback...




lol at driggs. Ill always remember him as my cousins little neighbour who always wanted to play with us

not as the moustache touting, jorts wearing running phenom he is now.

But yeah....so i know driggs too. Next time i see him ill ask about your comments

greenman
10-05-2010, 10:05 PM
Because he's not gonna run a 3:50 mile. Haven't you heard? He goes to York.Well...as only one runner in Illinois history has ever gone 3:50 or under I'd say he'll have a lot of company.

greenman
10-05-2010, 10:10 PM
lol at driggs. Ill always remember him as my cousins little neighbour who always wanted to play with us

not as the moustache touting, jorts wearing running phenom he is now.

But yeah....so i know driggs too. Next time i see him ill ask about your commentsYou do that....but judging by your postings on here I wouldn't count on you reporting the truth.

Doc Awesome
10-05-2010, 10:18 PM
You do that....but judging by your postings on here I wouldn't count on you reporting the truth.
I always live by the statement from a late great leader "the truth will set you free"

Unclegingerbawlz
10-05-2010, 11:21 PM
I always live by the statement from a late great leader "the truth will set you free"

Is that James Joyce?

emdeb
10-09-2010, 02:07 PM
http://rise.espn.go.com/track-and-xc/illinois/Northside-Southside-Preview.aspx?pursuit=TrackAndXC

Verzbicas will enter the race, his first this cross country season, after coming off his 3rd place finish at the World Junior Triathlon Championships.

I'm pretty sure he took 4th.