College Basketball 2010-2011

[Conigs]

Harvard receiving votes is more of a small gesture to great season they've had this year. Means as much as Duke getting one vote every year in the Coaches preseason football poll.

[eh000]

Harvard receiving votes is more of a small gesture to great season they've had this year. Means as much as Duke getting one vote every year in the Coaches preseason football poll.

They still lost to Princeton (who, inexplicably, lost to Brown last weekend). Not impressed.

[therunner12]

Harvard receiving votes is more of a small gesture to great season they've had this year. Means as much as Duke getting one vote every year in the Coaches preseason football poll.

Why does Duke get a vote in the football preseason poll?

[watch me walk]

Why does Duke get a vote in the football preseason poll?

Cuz some idiot votes for them

[Conigs]

Steve Spurrier gives a 25th place vote to Duke for giving him his first head coaching position.

[skurey]

Why is this thread talking about football?

I'm willing to move Syracuse up to around #300 in the country. Which puts them above most of the Big Ten :)

[therunner12]

Why is this thread talking about football?

I'm willing to move Syracuse up to around #300 in the country. Which puts them above most of the Big Ten :)

Well, they are...

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Everyone needs to enjoy the Rick Jackson show while it lasts. That guy is playing lights out!

[Quenton_Cassidy]

I'd be really surprised if BYU or SDSU got a #1 seed... just really unlikely as they probably have not too great of a strength of schedule and not too many super impressive wins. Im gonna guess... Duke, Texas, OSU, and Pitt right now.. no idea though.

[Dyenimator]

BYU with 2 first place votes! I laughed at Harvard and Belmont in the "other receiving votes".


http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Belmont

[FIRE CHIEF]

Calhoun suspended 3 games! He must be a cheater! Everybody here has to hate him like they hate Calipari now. We all know how much you guys like ethical coaches.

[BigBo]

Calhoun suspended 3 games! He must be a cheater! Everybody here has to hate him like they hate Calipari now. We all know how much you guys like ethical coaches.

BUT! BUT! HE COACHES WHEN HE'S SICK! HE WORKS SO HARD THE JOB PRACTICALLY KILLS HIM!!!! DON'T YOU SEE?!?! THE WORK ETHIC, THE DEDICATION! WHAT A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR THESE YOUNG MEN.

[young money]

Calhoun suspended 3 games! He must be a cheater! Everybody here has to hate him like they hate Calipari now. We all know how much you guys like ethical coaches.
it will get swept under the rug here just like when Izzo got in trouble. No one here cares about coaches and recruiting violations unless the coach is pulling 5 star AAs. Then they think its not fair or something.

[skurey]

I mean I hate them both...

[ElHollingsworth]

it will get swept under the rug here just like when Izzo got in trouble. No one here cares about coaches and recruiting violations unless the coach is pulling 5 star AAs. Then they think its not fair or something.

POW.

[FIRE CHIEF]

it will get swept under the rug here just like when Izzo got in trouble. No one here cares about coaches and recruiting violations unless the coach is pulling 5 star AAs. Then they think its not fair or something.

It makes no sense. I don't like Pearl, but not because he cheats. I just think he's overrated and plays a flawed system. But, him, Calipari, Huggins and Thad Matta all get painted as "bad guys" around here. It drives me insane. Then they act like Calhoun, Boeheim and Izzo are God's gift to coaching. None of them have any better resumes than Gary Williams. But, nobody cares either way about him. It just amazes me how people determine what a good coach is.

[skurey]

straw man, straw man everywhere!

[TeamOrange]

It makes no sense. I don't like Pearl, but not because he cheats. I just think he's overrated and plays a flawed system. But, him, Calipari, Huggins and Thad Matta all get painted as "bad guys" around here. It drives me insane. Then they act like Calhoun, Boeheim and Izzo are God's gift to coaching. None of them have any better resumes than Gary Williams. But, nobody cares either way about him. It just amazes me how people determine what a good coach is.

Ill concede Boeheim and Calhoun but Izzo is by far one of the best coaches in the game right now. 2 NC and 7 elite 8's since 1999, not many coaches can say that. Not to mention he is one of the best developers of talent.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Ill concede Boeheim and Calhoun but Izzo is by far one of the best coaches in the game right now. 2 NC and 8 elite 8's since 1999, not many coaches can say that. Not to mention he is one of the best developers of talent.

His teams don't show up to play half the time. He is a good coach, but I wouldn't put him in my current top 5. And he only has one NC. He lost an NC to UNC. He has made the final four 5 times I believe. One other elite 8, he lost to Texas in 03.

[TeamOrange]

His teams don't show up to play half the time. He is a good coach, but I wouldn't put him in my current top 5.

This year maybe but come tournament time his teams always show up.

[FIRE CHIEF]

This year maybe but come tournament time his teams always show up.

No way. I don't know if he has ever won 30 games in a season once.

If I started a program today he wouldn't be in my top 10 picks for coach. And I wouldn't put Boeeheim or Calhoun there either.

[skurey]

Wow, you wouldn't pick two guys in their 60s to start a program right now. Shocking stuff.

[TeamOrange]

No way. I don't know if he has ever won 30 games in a season once.

If I started a program today he wouldn't be in my top 10 picks for coach. And I wouldn't put Boeeheim or Calhoun there either.

He has... 3 times and won 28 twice

[FTT]

I think Izzo has 6 final fours. He is deffinatly a great coach. Calhoun is deff also a great coach. Uconn sucked before he came and he still doesnt get the 5 star recruits schools like duke, unc and kansas get. He obviously not the most likable guy. Pearl prob wouldnt have gotten in so much trouble but he lied about it, calipari has been caught twice now and jumps ship everytime he does. and the thing with izzo was deffinately bull****. theres deffinetaly a lot more violations going on, just no one finds out about them.

[FTT]

No way. I don't know if he has ever won 30 games in a season once.

If I started a program today he wouldn't be in my top 10 picks for coach. And I wouldn't put Boeeheim or Calhoun there either.

let me guess, calipari or sean miller would be ur first 2 choices

[FIRE CHIEF]

Wow, you wouldn't pick two guys in their 60s to start a program right now. Shocking stuff.

I'm not even considering age. I thought that point was obvious. Ben Howland has done everything Izzo has considering circumstances except he lost to Florida instead of beat them in the championship. Not one person would ever say Howland is better than Izzo, but in reality, the two are mirror images.

[FIRE CHIEF]

let me guess, calipari or sean miller would be ur first 2 choices

No. Roy Williams and Bill Self would be. Calipari doesn't run a stable enough offense for him to be at the top and Miller doesn't have the clout to recruit like those guys yet. Three years from now he will and he'll be the top choice. Matta would be my third BTW.

[TeamOrange]

I'm not even considering age. I thought that point was obvious. Ben Howland has done everything Izzo has considering circumstances except he lost to Florida instead of beat them in the championship. Not one person would ever say Howland is better than Izzo, but in reality, the two are mirror images.

Because Howland has had 2 losing seasons with just UCLA and it's not like he inherited a bad team Lavin consistently brought his team to the sweet 16. And I do think Howland is a pretty good coach, definitely below Izzo though

[skurey]

Roy Williams? What

I wouldn't really argue against Miller but Williams? It took him around 5 first round picks in order to get a title and he continues to underachieve despite getting multiple AA's every year.

Plus his poor close game record speaks for itself.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Roy Williams? What

I wouldn't really argue against Miller but Williams? It took him around 5 first round picks in order to get a title and he continues to underachieve despite getting multiple AA's every year.

Plus his poor close game record speaks for itself.

Recruiting matters when you're picking a coach to build your program. Williams is a great recruiter. He was at Kansas and is at UNC. He has two championships with totally different teams. He took Kansas to multiple final fours.

When I look at a great coach I want to see a guy's ability to do it at multiple places. I want to see a guy's recruiting ability. I want to see how well he coaches in a game, the style he plays, how hard his teams play and also at results. You guys act like being a good recruiter makes you a lousy coach, or that it isn't fair or whatever.

[BigBo]

I'm still a little butt hurt about Self leaving IL. It was the closest I ever came to caring about a college team.

I guess in a way I am grateful, because now I can continue to just not give a **** and only like players.

[therunner12]

FC,

Ed DeChellis is one of your favorites right?

[FIRE CHIEF]

FC,

Ed DeChellis is one of your favorites right?

I'd put him right where he likes to be on my list. DEAD LAST.

[therunner12]

Hahahahah.

I think Pat Knight is pretty low on that list too.

[TeamOrange]

I'd put him right where he likes to be on my list. DEAD LAST.

Yo he won the NIT last year :D

[FIRE CHIEF]

Hahahahah.

I think Pat Knight is pretty low on that list too.

Knight, Obama's brother in law at Oregon State, Hewitt at Georgia Tech, Lowe at NC State and DeChellis are all about as bad as they come. The crazy thing is that only Lowe will be fired after this season.

I'd say my top 10 are...

1. Roy Williams
2. Bill Self
3. Thad Matta
4. Mike Krykewski
5. Rick Pitino
6. Sean miller
7. Bob Huggins
8. Billy Donnovan
9. Tom Izzo
10. Ben Howland

And ya, I included Izzo. But, I think his teams are inconsistent. I also think he bulks his kids up too much and then they end up being terrible shooters as they get older. Howland does the same thing IMO. Rick Barnes is probably the next guy just off my list. Jay Wright, Jamie Dixon, Calhoun, Boeheim, Painter, Bo Ryan and other guys are down at this range too.

[therunner12]

How do you feel about Turgeon?

[the stogs]

just wait for mike hopkins

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Are you being serious about Thad Matta? ....what? He's not terrible, but he's not a top 10 coach.

1 Elite Eight and Final Four SOLELY because of Oden (Conley and Cook helped, but it was all Oden). Izzo has 6 Final Fours in 12 years. And the reason he only has 1 title is because his teams aren't supposed to be there! Advancing to the Final Four as a 5 seed twice is unheard of. He knows when to tell his guys to go and when not to. 30 win seasons? Regular season heroes don't matter. Izzo is a genius when it comes to play calling, working the rotations, and getting his guys to play when it counts. Matta chews gum, though, so it's close.

Izzo's shooters get terrible when they are older? Like how Shannon Brown and Jason Richardson are shooting lights out from 3 this year? I don't know what this means. How does bulking up when you are 20 correlate to being a bad shooter when you are 35?

Izzo's teams are inconsistent? 13 straight NCAA tourneys? If you stay for 4 years with Tom Izzo, you WILL have a Final Four. He is the only coach in league who can say that.

[young money]

Are you being serious about Thad Matta? ....what? He's not terrible, but he's not a top 10 coach.

1 Elite Eight and Final Four SOLELY because of Oden (Conley and Cook helped, but it was all Oden). Izzo has 6 Final Fours in 12 years. And the reason he only has 1 title is because his teams aren't supposed to be there! Advancing to the Final Four as a 5 seed twice is unheard of. He knows when to tell his guys to go and when not to. 30 win seasons? Regular season heroes don't matter. Izzo is a genius when it comes to play calling, working the rotations, and getting his guys to play when it counts. Matta chews gum, though, so it's close.

Izzo's shooters get terrible when they are older? Like how Shannon Brown and Jason Richardson are shooting lights out from 3 this year? I don't know what this means. How does bulking up when you are 20 correlate to being a bad shooter when you are 35?

Izzo's teams are inconsistent? 13 straight NCAA tourneys? If you stay for 4 years with Tom Izzo, you WILL have a Final Four. He is the only coach in league who can say that.
you are so clueless on some stuff. A final 4 solely because of Oden? And then next giving credit to Conley and Cook? Could you make it anymore obvious you didn't even watch those games? If anything, Ron Lewis was the guy who drove Ohio State as far they went that year. He hit sooo many big shots in the tournament.

Now, the main retard comment you made with regards to Richardson and Shannon Brown. Both of those guys couldn't shoot for **** coming out of MSU because they were on lifting regimens at MSU. It's hardly a coincidence that after they got to the NBA and off a regular lifting program and just played and practiced all the time that they learned to shoot consistently. It took 4 years for Richardson to turn into a respectable 3 point shooter and Shannon Brown has been inconsistent his entire pro career. Both of those guys are perfect examples of the point that FC was making.

[TeamOrange]

you are so clueless on some stuff. A final 4 solely because of Oden? And then next giving credit to Conley and Cook? Could you make it anymore obvious you didn't even watch those games? If anything, Ron Lewis was the guy who drove Ohio State as far they went that year. He hit sooo many big shots in the tournament.

Now, the main retard comment you made with regards to Richardson and Shannon Brown. Both of those guys couldn't shoot for **** coming out of MSU because they were on lifting regimens at MSU. It's hardly a coincidence that after they got to the NBA and off a regular lifting program and just played and practiced all the time that they learned to shoot consistently. It took 4 years for Richardson to turn into a respectable 3 point shooter and Shannon Brown has been inconsistent his entire pro career. Both of those guys are perfect examples of the point that FC was making.

And Oden didn't block that shot against Tennessee

[FIRE CHIEF]

So Izzo should get credit of making the Final 4 when he doesn't have the talent??? You guys are backwards. Recruiting is the most important part of coaching. Why do you hold it against a coach if he recruits AA's and lottery picks? It makes no sense. Cory Lucious is exactly the type of player that goes to MSU and gets worse. Neitzel did too. There are a lot of kids that go there and just get too bulky.

You guys also missed that I left Calipari out. It was honestly just an accident. He's probably 5th for me.

Turgeon is decent. He needs to recruit better guards IMO. I think he's setting himself up to be just like Jamie Dixon, Bo Ryan or even a guy like Buzz Williams at Marquette in terms of tournament success although slightly different styles for each coach.

[BigBo]

Are you being serious about Thad Matta? ....what? He's not terrible, but he's not a top 10 coach.

1 Elite Eight and Final Four SOLELY because of Oden (Conley and Cook helped, but it was all Oden). Izzo has 6 Final Fours in 12 years. And the reason he only has 1 title is because his teams aren't supposed to be there! Advancing to the Final Four as a 5 seed twice is unheard of. He knows when to tell his guys to go and when not to. 30 win seasons? Regular season heroes don't matter. Izzo is a genius when it comes to play calling, working the rotations, and getting his guys to play when it counts. Matta chews gum, though, so it's close.


Homeboy Recruits high draft picks and excellent bloggers.

[TeamOrange]

Currently watching La Salle vs Xavier, Xavier is up 38-8 and the half isn't over yet... 9 mins to go

[young money]

And Oden didn't block that shot against Tennessee
Oden was obviously important but I'm not the one trying to give sole credit to that frosh class. Someone still has to score points to put Ohio State in position to win.

[FTT]

So Izzo should get credit of making the Final 4 when he doesn't have the talent??? You guys are backwards. Recruiting is the most important part of coaching. Why do you hold it against a coach if he recruits AA's and lottery picks? It makes no sense. Cory Lucious is exactly the type of player that goes to MSU and gets worse. Neitzel did too. There are a lot of kids that go there and just get too bulky.

You guys also missed that I left Calipari out. It was honestly just an accident. He's probably 5th for me.

Turgeon is decent. He needs to recruit better guards IMO. I think he's setting himself up to be just like Jamie Dixon, Bo Ryan or even a guy like Buzz Williams at Marquette in terms of tournament success although slightly different styles for each coach.

i dont understand what u look at in a coach. who cares who they recruit if they cant do anything with those players. someone like calipari can get the best of the best but when he looses in the elite 8 who cares. meanwhile beoheim, calhoun, and izzo take no names to the NC. and huggins, really?

[FIRE CHIEF]

i dont understand what u look at in a coach. who cares who they recruit if they cant do anything with those players. someone like calipari can get the best of the best but when he looses in the elite 8 who cares. meanwhile beoheim, calhoun, and izzo take no names to the NC. and huggins, really?

You penalize a coach for being a good recruiter. It makes no sense.

Calipari has made two final fours by the way. And in far fewer years than the guys you like. He'll have double digit final fours by the end of his career.

[FTT]

You penalize a coach for being a good recruiter. It makes no sense.

Calipari has made two final fours by the way. And in far fewer years than the guys you like. He'll have double digit final fours by the end of his career.

i didnt say that, all im saying is its more impartant what u do with the talent then how much talent u get. and technically he has no final fours :D

[KenA55]

Izzo's odds of getting to the dance will improve dramatically if MSU can close out better than 1-3, otherwise it could be iffy. Tonight's game is the kind of game they'd take easily in a good year, we'll see what happens.

[TeamOrange]

Oden was obviously important but I'm not the one trying to give sole credit to that frosh class. Someone still has to score points to put Ohio State in position to win.

O ok fair enough, thought you were giving Lewis most valuable for his shooting in March.

Side note: I have no idea how Lewis isn't an NBA role player. From what I remember he had great range and was very good at the foul line

[young money]

i dont understand what u look at in a coach. who cares who they recruit if they cant do anything with those players. someone like calipari can get the best of the best but when he looses in the elite 8 who cares. meanwhile beoheim, calhoun, and izzo take no names to the NC. and huggins, really?
so Izzo gets all the credit in the world for taking teams with lesser known players to the elite 8 but calipari is a massive underachiever for doing the same thing because he has better recruits?

[FIRE CHIEF]

so Izzo gets all the credit in the world for taking teams with lesser known players to the elite 8 but calipari is a massive underachiever for doing the same thing because he has better recruits?

Pretty much. That's why I talk down to most people here. Because they truly are clueless.

Is Izzo a better in game coach than Calipari? Probably.Do his teams run better sets? Definitely. But, in terms of all around ability, they aren't too far apart. People here act like recruiting doesn't matter.

If you want my best coach in the country just on the court it's Sean Miller. That guy gets his team open shots literally with every play he calls. He has done it since day one at Xavier. As soon as he proves he can recruit elite talent year in and year out they will be the best program in the entire country again.

[FTT]

so Izzo gets all the credit in the world for taking teams with lesser known players to the elite 8 but calipari is a massive underachiever for doing the same thing because he has better recruits?

no izzo is a better coach because he has 6 final fours and an NC while calipari has 2 vacated final fours

[young money]

no izzo is a better coach because he has 6 final fours and an NC while calipari has 2 vacated final fours
so is billy donovan the best coach in the country? he won back to back titles(not just getting to the final 4) with a starting 5 that wasn't full of top tier recruits. he turned Noah, Horford and Brewer into top 10 picks with his coaching and even got Taureen Green a 5 minute look at the NBA.

[FTT]

so is billy donovan the best coach in the country? he won back to back titles(not just getting to the final 4) with a starting 5 that wasn't full of top tier recruits. he turned Noah, Horford and Brewer into top 10 picks with his coaching and even got Taureen Green a 5 minute look at the NBA.

well i fail to see how any of that makes him a bad coach

[young money]

well i fail to see how any of that makes him a bad coach
i never even insinuated that any of that does. i was just pointing out this board loves Izzo, and applauds him for the same type of stuff Donovan did/does. Except 2 Titles back to back>Izzo's elite 8s and final 4s. And no one ever mentions Donovan on here except when FC brought him up earlier. I'm basically saying that this board is filled with Izzo dick riders, and then when people call them on it they won't admit it and bring up his tournament resume or something as proof of him being the greatest NCAA coach there is. Fact is there are numerous coaches with just as impressive of resumes as Izzo and no one even mentions them. UCLA made 3 final 4s in a row a few years ago and no one even talks about them this year. Then you go in the hoops thread and there's more than 1 person saying that MSU is a 'sleeper' for the tournament this year and that they could see them in the sweet 16 or elite 8 even though they suck. Then, to top it off, these guys are some of the same ones who are ripping the big 10 apart as a conference and saying they suck but then go and pimp MSU.

[skurey]

Lol you guys are all terrible at arguing. Go join the debate team and maybe you can learn something.

[BigBo]

Speaking of terrible. WTF is up with Vandy's court. Do they play in a field house or something?

[Mr. Irrelevant]

so Izzo gets all the credit in the world for taking teams with lesser known players to the elite 8 but calipari is a massive underachiever for doing the same thing because he has better recruits?

I don't get how that doesn't make sense. If you have worse players, but consistently go farther, how are you not doing better? What else can you credit? Izzo makes his guys play together and achieve more than what they should.

EDIT: Izzo being a better coach than Matta has nothing to do with the Big Ten being overrated this year.

[usnspecialist]

it will get swept under the rug here just like when Izzo got in trouble. No one here cares about coaches and recruiting violations unless the coach is pulling 5 star AAs. Then they think its not fair or something.

i assume all college coaches cheat, some just do it more and in more blatant way than others. That being said, the 3 coaches i would take above any other if i was looking to build a winning program are izzo, rick pitino and (although it pains me to say) coach K. GOAT is still robert montgomery knight however.

[young money]

I don't get how that doesn't make sense. If you have worse players, but consistently go farther, how are you not doing better? What else can you credit? Izzo makes his guys play together and achieve more than what they should.

EDIT: Izzo being a better coach than Matta has nothing to do with the Big Ten being overrated this year.
Shouldn't it be expected that a coach of a power conference team can take his team further than a coach of merely a major like memphis when Calipari was there for example?

Also, Izzo still gets highly rated players pretty regularly, they just don't really get better under him which helps perpetuate the myth that he routinely turns nothing into something. It just isn't true though. No one mentions Adrien Payne was a 5 star recruit last year, Delvon Roe was a 5 star before that, and almost every year in the past decade he's signed a 5 star like Paul Davis, Marquise Gray, Shannon Brown, etc. Not to mention high ranked 4 star recruits every year like Summers, Lucas, Lucious, Nix, Appling, Allen, Sherman, in addition to a bunch of 3 star recruits. Don't get me wrong, Izzo does very well, but my point is that so do a bunch of other coaches that no one mentions. Yet Izzo gets all the credit in the world and every other coach gets a "yeah but he should win with those quality of players". It's dumb.

[Donkeykongrunner]

Izzo is a top 5 coach.

Cal is a top 5 coach.

They do it in different ways but they are both top 5.

Also almost everyone in the big east hates calhoun just as much as calipari. Anyone who criticizes Cal but not Calhoun is just upset that Cal is better at cheating than Calhoun.

[BigBo]

For the bitching in this thread...The definition of "successful coach" needs to be addressed.

Is it to win National Championships? To improve your players? Or to get them drafted early?

[skurey]

For the bitching in this thread...The definition of "successful coach" needs to be addressed.

Is it to win National Championships? To improve your players? Or to get them drafted early?

No, stop this. It's much more fun to let them argue why the coaches they chose fit their definition while the ones that other people picked based on an obvious different definition are terrible.

[BigBo]

No, stop this. It's much more fun to let them argue why the coaches they chose fit their definition while the ones that other people picked based on an obvious different definition are terrible.

You're right.

I still hate you though.

[young money]

No, stop this. It's much more fun to let them argue why the coaches they chose fit their definition while the ones that other people picked based on an obvious different definition are terrible.
i never said Izzo was terrible, I just accused some posters of riding his dick. Then I said why I thought it was dumb, because a bunch of other coaches do the same thing as him but never get mentioned.

And you know you'd like to participate in the debate. You're just smart enough to not talk out of your ass as much anymore so you don't look so stupid.

[skurey]

I've already proved over and over how much smarter I am than you guys when it comes to talking sports. It gets boring after a while.

You continue picking out two seasons to prove why a coach is elite despite being the king of sample size and I'll continue laughing at you from my couch.

[young money]

I've already proved over and over how much smarter I am than you guys when it comes to talking sports. It gets boring after a while.

You continue picking out two seasons to prove why a coach is elite despite being the king of sample size and I'll continue laughing at you from my couch.
I don't even know what you're referring to in this post so I'll just assume you're baiting again.

[TeamOrange]

Strong win by Tennessee tonight. Holding Vandy to 50 points on their court is great

[Conigs]

Not participating in this argument....
Matta also took an 7 seeded Xavier team to the elite 8. Then he bailed for Ohio State.

I, too, was watching the Xavier game (from the 3rd row of the student section) and it was pretty ridiculous. Jeff Robinson started tonight (for maybe the 2nd time of his career) and put on a show. He's made ridiculous strides from scoring 6 points a game in HS as a reserve his senior year.

All those dunks might end up on Sportscenter's top 10 in a few minutes.

Best we've looked all year. I wouldn't want to play us.

Also heard that Vanderbilt imploded at home, again.

[TeamOrange]

Not participating in this argument....
Matta also took an 7 seeded Xavier team to the elite 8. Then he bailed for Ohio State.

I, too, was watching the Xavier game (from the 3rd row of the student section) and it was pretty ridiculous. Jeff Robinson started tonight (for maybe the 2nd time of his career) and put on a show. He's made ridiculous strides from scoring 6 points a game in HS as a reserve his senior year.

All those dunks might end up on Sportscenter's top 10 in a few minutes.

Best we've looked all year. I wouldn't want to play us.

Also heard that Vanderbilt imploded at home, again.

You played La Salle nothing to be impressed about. If you took out Murry the team wouldn't win a game in A-10

[Conigs]

You played La Salle nothing to be impressed about. If you took out Murry the team wouldn't win a game in A-10

That kid could play for almost anyone in the country. Really was impressed with his game.

And yeah, I'm well aware La Salle sucks. But after the way we played Fordham on Saturday, it is nice to play well against a bad team.

[TeamOrange]

That kid could play for almost anyone in the country. Really was impressed with his game.

And yeah, I'm well aware La Salle sucks. But after the way we played Fordham on Saturday, it is nice to play well against a bad team.

Seriously he is wasting his talent here. If I were him I would transfer asap to save my draft stock

Edit: Scary part is he has only been playing basketball (organized?) since only his junior year in high school

[Conigs]

The good news for his draft stock is NBA scouts generally find those guys out anyway. Plus he can showcase it right now.

And I can see why he's at La Salle and not some big name school. We have a guy that just transferred from Monmouth and he started playing ball his junior year of HS as well. Judging by his twitter name, @TakeoffTrav, I'm guessing he can get up.

[Donkeykongrunner]

The good news for his draft stock is NBA scouts generally find those guys out anyway. Plus he can showcase it right now.

And I can see why he's at La Salle and not some big name school. We have a guy that just transferred from Monmouth and he started playing ball his junior year of HS as well. Judging by his twitter name, @TakeoffTrav, I'm guessing he can get up.

Judging by my tt name you're probably wondering if I'm actually a monkey.

[Conigs]

It's also his nickname around campus.

I'm looking forward to the Duke-Temple game tonight. I always love the non conference matchups that seldom happen during conference play.

Also, Cincinnati is at Georgetown. This would be a vital score for Cinci if they want to assure themselves an NCAA slot.
And, Baylor is at Missouri in the same type of game. They desperately need a victory (especially one on the road) against a good opponent.

[Eva N]

Talk about a strategy back-firing... LOL Michigan using all their fouls in Wisconsin's last possession, which only ensured they had no time left when Wisc hit the game-winner. :eek:

[skurey]

How has no one pointed out Brooks scoring 52 against ND?

[BigBo]

How has no one pointed out Brooks scoring 52 against ND?

Who's he coach for?

[therunner12]

How has no one pointed out Brooks scoring 52 against ND?

Well since the game ended like 30 minutes ago...

[Picc5455]

Nice win for Duke and I'm still trying to figure out how we beat Duquesne.

[BigBo]

**** Duke.

/post

[TeamOrange]

How has no one pointed out Brooks scoring 52 against ND?

They did lose....

[Dyenimator]

Talk about a strategy back-firing... LOL Michigan using all their fouls in Wisconsin's last possession, which only ensured they had no time left when Wisc hit the game-winner. :eek:

Yes, giving Wisconsin less time to get the shot they want is clearly LOL. GMAFB.

[Quenton_Cassidy]

It was an interesting and in my opinion good strategy... just didn't work out at all. You can't say that kid meant to bank that shot lol

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Cincy just locked a tournament birth with that win.

Brooks for Big East PotY? Providence is probably too awful for him to win. I know Kemba will get it, but I don't think he really deserves it.

[hoegher]

It was an interesting and in my opinion good strategy... just didn't work out at all. You can't say that kid meant to bank that shot lol

It's the Wisconsin way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspcneLGLeg

[FTT]

gg kentucky

[TeamOrange]

gg kentucky

Bro their a top 8 team in the SEC

[usnspecialist]

gg kentucky

nice for pelphrey to get a win over his alma mater.

[Donkeykongrunner]

FC nowhere to be found.

[Fantasticate]

It's the Wisconsin way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspcneLGLeg

IU sucks.

[Picc5455]

Got a great text from one of my buddies at Purdue. It simply read "I'm drunk, suck it you Hoosier ****s!"

[FIRE CHIEF]

Kentuckky lost. Big stinking deal. I didn't come on here and trash you guys when Georgetown lost at home, when somebody had them in the top 5. Or when Vanderbilt got smoked at home by Tennessee. Or when St. Mary's got killed by the same Utah State team you all think stinks. Give me a break, I don't think last night's game has anything to do with how well they'll play in March. Arkansas played lights out by the way. Probably their best game of the entire season.

[therunner12]

St. Mary's and Utah State are both bad.

[FIRE CHIEF]

St. Mary's and Utah State are both bad.

I've seen Utah State play twice and actually think they are decent. Probably the best team Morrill has ever had there. I expect them to win their first round game.

St. Mary's should probably be out of the tournament after they lose to Gonzaga tonight. They are exceptionally soft.

[therunner12]

I've seen Utah State play twice and actually think they are decent. Probably the best team Morrill has ever had there. I expect them to win their first round game.

St. Mary's should probably be out of the tournament after they lose to Gonzaga tonight. They are exceptionally soft.

St. Mary's is only being given a glimmer of hope because of last year.

[FIRE CHIEF]

St. Mary's is only being given a glimmer of hope because of last year.

They started off this season playing pretty well too. Ever since they came east and got killed by Vanderbilt they have been terrible.

Utah State is ranked ahead of Notre Dame and UConn according to kenpom and just a spot below Georgetown. So my assumption that they look legit is at least right in line with those rankings.

[hoegher]

There is no way Wisconsin is making it to the Elite Eight.

[watch me walk]

I know this is off-topic and may have already been posted/assumed, but we should definitely do a TT bracket pool.

[FIRE CHIEF]

UConn stinks.

[skurey]

Well Kentucky sucks then.

[FIRE CHIEF]

I know you guys think that. I'm just pointing out that UConn is terrible. Most likely one and done. Kentucky is no worse than any team in the Big East honestly.

[skurey]

I'm just pointing out that terrible UConn team crushed Kentucky already this year.

Maybe Kentucky will be able to play Purdue in Round 2, that is if they make it that far.

[FTT]

buzz williams is one of the most underrated coach's in the country

[Donkeykongrunner]

buzz williams is one of the most underrated coach's in the country

He's slowly learning how to be a bench coach but he does the most with talent I've seen. We always come to play.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Buzz is decent. His teams play harder than anybody else does. But, they run virtually no halfcourt offense. Almost every game they go through at least one prolonged scoring draught because of it.

Big games today. I won't even venture a prediction in the Georgetown and Syracuse game. Too inconsistent teams and GTown has a big injury.

Villanova is in total collapse mode. Just like last year when they should have lost to a 15 seed then got creamed by St. Mary's. The guards have totally gone ice cole and the big guys aren't enough of the offense to carry the load. Good opportunity for a road win for St. John's.

San Diego State is going to flex their muscles today. I think their athletic guys and length is going to really bother BYU. They make their first step towards a number 1 seed today.

Kansas State is heating up and Missourio can't figure out the road. BUT, Missouri will lure KState into a really ridiculous game and then beat them with experience. This is going to be a prime example of pace deciding a game more than anything.

Kentucky has stomped everybody at home and they'll beat Florida by double digits today.

I'm sure there will be an upset or two today, but I don't really like any of them. Unless you consider St. John's an upset.

[ElHollingsworth]

Well Kentucky sucks then.

ive never seen such a two sided team. they are completely different at home and on the road and its incredibly frustrating.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Georgetown won't win another game this season without Wright. They are flat out terrible.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Missouri has no interest in defending in the half court. K-State has done a really good job of breaking the press and making Missouri defend for long periods of time. They just have no interest in doing so. They play that sagging man almost daring opponents to shoot to speed the game up.

[skurey]

Stop!

Jimmer time!

http://hoopdreamz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/jimmer-fredette1.jpg

[FTT]

Marshon Brooks> jimmer freddette

[Donkeykongrunner]

Saint Johns has a shot at the final four if they continue this hot streak. Too many seniors playing too well to go home early. Nova is not a top 15 team.

Jimmer amazes me with his scoring every time I see him. Step back threes off one foot hitting nothing but net.

[FTT]

The lack of defense in the MWC is quite noticeable. I really wanna see one of these teams play against a big east or big 12 defense

[TeamOrange]

Man I hate when there two team playing at the same time that I want to see.

[TeamOrange]

Jimmer is right now in **** you MJ mode

[FIRE CHIEF]

I wanted to think SDSU or BYU was good just because I'm a huge UNLV fan and wanted the 4 losses justified. But, SDSU just cannot shoot well enough and BYU looks like a terrible rebounding team. I don't see either one of these teams threatening much past the sweet 16.

St. John's is thugs with a coach who will lose the team. No way they are final 4 caliber.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Not to mention St. John's fouls sooooooo much. The other teams just live at the line against them. Plus they aren't a real good shooting or offensive rebounding team. I question their ability to really score when it comes down to it. I'm not so sure they're even good enough to win a game in the NCAA tournament. It will depend who they play. But, I could see them having serious issues with foul trouble and just allowing too many free throws.

[TeamOrange]

Not to mention St. John's fouls sooooooo much. The other teams just live at the line against them. Plus they aren't a real good shooting or offensive rebounding team. I question their ability to really score when it comes down to it. I'm not so sure they're even good enough to win a game in the NCAA tournament. It will depend who they play. But, I could see them having serious issues with foul trouble and just allowing too many free throws.

Half of these blocks should be charges, they are kind of getting shafted. And they are doubling Nova on the offensive board.

Also Hardy should get Big East Player of the Year

[FIRE CHIEF]

Hansbrough should get every single vote for Big East POY.

And St. John's fouls against everybody. Look at their statistics. Teams that foul a lot and teams that cannot shoot the three at a decent percentage usually don't go real far.

[watch me walk]

I wanted to think SDSU or BYU was good just because I'm a huge UNLV fan and wanted the 4 losses justified. But, SDSU just cannot shoot well enough and BYU looks like a terrible rebounding team. I don't see either one of these teams threatening much past the sweet 16.

I agree. First time I had really watched both teams. Very good teams but I wasn't blown away. I don't think either deserves a number 1 seed. Jimmer is a great scorer, but has a tendency to turn it over too much which cant happen if they want to go deep in the tournament.

[skurey]

I'd take BYU going further than SDSU in the tournament. Don't think SDSU's bigs will do to well against tougher competition. BYU has so many shooters it's ridiculous plus it doesn't hurt to have someone like Jimmer, despite him not playing that well today.

Kentucky gets a nice win at home, but they still suck on the road and last I checked they won't be playing at home in the tourney.

FC's right about SJU fouling too much, it's basically the same throughout the league. Very physical games and refs let them play, that doesn't usually happen in the tournament which is why, as I've mentioned before, Pitt usually bows out early.

And lol Texas, lol Memphis.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Unless SDSU betats both UNLV and BYU again in the tournament then I would be disappointed if they get anything better than a 3 seed. They just are going to struggle to score against anybody after the first round.

Kentucky played lights out today by the way. Not sure why everybody thinks I'm insane for thinking they are legit. You guys must not actually watch them play. They can score in so many different ways. Jones and Knight are basically unstoppable and Miller and Lamb are well over 40% three point shooters. Florida actually played an awesome game today, which has been UK's problem all year. They have run into a bunch of hot shooting teams.

[skurey]

And lol Arizona. UCLA isn't a bad loss, but to lose that way after already losing this week, ouch.

[therunner12]

Texas about to lose again.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Ya, Arizona playted a great game to beat Washington the other day and basically stunk this week. Miller has gotten a lot out of his team this season and that could be ending. We'll see how they rebound, but his guards have been terrible.

Do you guys still want to argue Texas is still number 1? Ohio State and Duke are the teams to beat. It would take a lot for neither of them to win it all IMO.

[therunner12]

I can't believe this.

Texas was almost perfect against us both times. It's insane to see them play like this.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Texas lost their chance at a 1 seed today. OSU, Duke, Kansas, and Pitt are almost locks.

BYU and Texas will be 2 seeds. Notre Dame and Purdue will probably be the other 2s. Georgetown may sneak in there.

[skurey]

Texas lost their chance at a 1 seed today. OSU, Duke, Kansas, and Pitt are almost locks.

BYU and Texas will be 2 seeds. Notre Dame and Purdue will probably be the other 2s. Georgetown may sneak in there.

Georgetown no, have you watched basketball this week?

[TeamOrange]

Texas lost their chance at a 1 seed today. OSU, Duke, Kansas, and Pitt are almost locks.

BYU and Texas will be 2 seeds. Notre Dame and Purdue will probably be the other 2s. Georgetown may sneak in there.

GT has no chance at a 2 they may even end up with a 4. Not because they are bad but because they lost wright. Tough break for them

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Georgetown no, have you watched basketball this week?

I'm assuming they will win the Big East Tourney :o

[skurey]

Syracuse could get a 2 seed by winning the BET.

That's something to think about.

[FIRE CHIEF]

I'm assuming they will win the Big East Tourney :o

There's a chance they don't win another game this year. Lose to Cincy, lose the first Big East game and they'll be a 5 or 6 seed and in danger of going 0 for March. Villanova is a nother team that seriously may have won their last game already.

Right now I agree with you on the 1 seed and the 2 seeds other than Notre Dame. I think North Carolina will end up with that seed if they beat Duke once.

[Dyenimator]

Michigan is probably a Final 4 team next year. Just so sick how bad we've run, with so little experience... but still have a shot at getting in.

[boltoncct&f]

And lol Texas, lol Memphis.
No $****:o

I'm just at a loss, at this point. We are far to long in the season to claim that "they are still freshmen", when they are not making freshmen mistakes, but middle school mistkes. I'll stick by the fact that we have top 5 talent on the floor, but at times we are playing with bottom 5 IQ. It's frustrating as hell. I've been at some practices. The guidance is there, but come game time, they insist on doing it their way. Pastner has benched plenty of guys (marked by our 18th different starting 5 today) but you can't bench the entire team. Hurry up next season.....

[FIRE CHIEF]

I'll try a top 4 seeds with an S curce here just for fun.

1. Duke
1. Ohio State
1. Kansas
1. Pitt
2. Texas
2. Purdue
2. North Carolina
2. BYU
3. Notre Dame
3. San Diego State
3. Florida
3. Wisconsin
4. Arizona
4. Louisville
4. Syracuse
4. Kentucky

So you'd have...

1. Duke
2. BYU
3. Notre Dame
4. Kentucky

1. Ohio State
2. North Carolina
3. San Diego State
4. Syracuse

1. Kansas
2. Purdue
3. Florida
4. Louisville

1. Pitt
2. Texas
3. Wisconsin
4. Arizona

[ncrunner]

Tech needs to come out hard from halftime or Duke will run away quick.

[Otis Moulmein]

I came to post "game over", but....

Edit: Game over. Great game, I thought VT's 8/19 FT shooting was going to doom them. Almost did.

[Donkeykongrunner]

When do people start admitting that Duke is not a 1 seed and maybe not even a 2 seed. They can't win away from home.

[skurey]

VPI still shouldn't get in.

[ncrunner]

My disdain for Duke is on par with that of Justin Bieber, every time Duke loses an angel gets its wings. Seriously though, Duke does not finish the way teams of old would, VA TECH did more than its share to squirrel away the game and they would not bite. Would not be a reach to say they are over-ranked.

EDIT: I am a huge Seth Curry fan since I know their family, seems like he let the personal magnitude of the game get to him.

[Picc5455]

My disdain for Duke is on par with that of Justin Bieber, every time Duke loses an angel gets its wings. Seriously though, Duke does not finish the way teams of old would, VA TECH did more than its share to squirrel away the game and they would not bite. Would not be a reach to say they are over-ranked.

EDIT: I am a huge Seth Curry fan since I know their family, seems like he let the personal magnitude of the game get to him.

I used to love you but then you posted this mean spirited message about Duke. <\3

[Donkeykongrunner]

I used to love you but then you posted this mean spirited message about Duke. <\3

You just have to admit that the only reason Duke was #1 was because they are Duke and not because they have beaten good teams.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

State over Purdue, folks. Not really that crazy of a upset pick. Purdue only favored by a point. Think it will be a 3 point game in favor of MSU.

I'll also take IU plus 17.5 at OSU haha. That's a ton of points.

I think Baylor makes the tourney to give the Big 12 6 teams.

[Picc5455]

You just have to admit that the only reason Duke was #1 was because they are Duke and not because they have beaten good teams.

You have to admit that Duke is one of the best teams in the country. If the rumors are true and Irving comes back then they are the clear number 1.

[usnspecialist]

You have to admit that Duke is one of the best teams in the country. If the rumors are true and Irving comes back then they are the clear number 1.

i want to see how irving responds after the injury before anointing them a clear #1.

[The Saint]

Colorado trolls the NCAA once again.

[FIRE CHIEF]

You just have to admit that the only reason Duke was #1 was because they are Duke and not because they have beaten good teams.

Then who would you have at number 1? Kansas or Ohio State are the only other logical answers.

You guys better listen. I feel like nobody gets it. The Big East STINKS. There was only 2 Big East teams to make the sweet 16 last year and only West Virginia went past that. The teams that are good are the top two or three teams in the ACC, Big Ten, SEC and Big 12. They will make up the end of the tournament, not these mediocre Big East teams that beat each other up and get overrated for it.

[therunner12]

I really can't help but laugh when you write "stink". I haven't heard someone say that word in years.

[FIRE CHIEF]

I really can't help but laugh when you write "stink". I haven't heard someone say that word in years.

I say it all of the time.

[mentle bentle]

I say it all of the time.

Yeah I use it as well. I just think that using it when describing the Big East is a bit of hyperbole. I agree that there are no great teams (none that I could have any confidence making the final four) but the league by no means "stinks". There are a lot of pretty good teams in the big east capable of winning a game or two in the tournament.

[FTT]

I'm going to make a bold prediction of 4 BE team in the elite eight and Atleast one in the final four

[skurey]

FC how many teams from the BE in each round would you say they need to have to not be considered "overrated"?

[FIRE CHIEF]

1 in the final four, 2 in the elite 8, 4 in the sweet 16. If they can get that then I'll say that is pretty much expected.

The league really doesn't stink. I am just trying to prove a point that it isn't far and away the best.

If it gets four teams in the elite 8 I'll quit posting here about basketball. That's just impossible.

[Conigs]

Well we just tried to piss that game away... Good thing Dayton really sucks.

And Tu Holloway is a killer.

[ncrunner]

Omg if louisville cheerleaders cost them the game.

edit: made it exciting for a little bit.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Purdue is already justifying my hype for them. Kentucky and Washington will be next. Watch.

[FTT]

Purdue is already justifying my hype for them. Kentucky and Washington will be next. Watch.

MSU is hardly a good win at this point

[FIRE CHIEF]

MSU is hardly a good win at this point

Just shut up about what's a good win and what isn't. A good win or whatever doesn't matter if you don't play well. They played awesome today. Just like they have played for the last three weeks. You guys worry so much about winning and losing and honestly at this point that isn't really important. Watch what teams do, who they have, how they use them, look for strengths and weaknesses. You wrap yourself up so much in winning and losing that you simply don't know how to actually evaluate teams. Or maybe you just don't understand basketball enough to look beyond ridiculous stuff like strength of schedule and wins or losses.

[chrisdiaz16]

When do people start admitting that Duke is not a 1 seed and maybe not even a 2 seed. They can't win away from home.

5-5 on the road last year and were 0-3 at one point
tournament is at a neutral site, that's all that matters

having said that... unless kyrie comes back, i doubt we'll back it past sweet 16/elite 8

i think part of duke's ranking is also based on kyle singler's potential, which he obviously has not realized this season

[Picc5455]

5-5 on the road last year and were 0-3 at one point
tournament is at a neutral site, that's all that matters

having said that... unless kyrie comes back, i doubt we'll back it past sweet 16/elite 8

i think part of duke's ranking is also based on kyle singler's potential, which he obviously has not realized this season

I wouldn't be surprised to see Duke win it all. They have the talent to do it they just need to get good matchups in the tournament.

[skurey]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Duke win it all. They have the talent to do it they just need to get good matchups in the tournament.

And I'm sure the committee will pave them the way once again

[Picc5455]

And I'm sure the committee will pave them the way once again

Haters gonna hate.

[therunner12]

Guys,

Penn State is going to win the NCAA tournament.

Retards.

[FTT]

Just shut up about what's a good win and what isn't. A good win or whatever doesn't matter if you don't play well. They played awesome today. Just like they have played for the last three weeks. You guys worry so much about winning and losing and honestly at this point that isn't really important. Watch what teams do, who they have, how they use them, look for strengths and weaknesses. You wrap yourself up so much in winning and losing that you simply don't know how to actually evaluate teams. Or maybe you just don't understand basketball enough to look beyond ridiculous stuff like strength of schedule and wins or losses.

i dont see how ur not heading espn right now with your ability to evaluate teams

[Dyenimator]

ftttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[mentle bentle]

i dont see how ur not heading espn right now with your ability to evaluate teams

Naw you have to love the big east to be on espn.

[Donkeykongrunner]

Then who would you have at number 1? Kansas or Ohio State are the only other logical answers.

You guys better listen. I feel like nobody gets it. The Big East STINKS. There was only 2 Big East teams to make the sweet 16 last year and only West Virginia went past that. The teams that are good are the top two or three teams in the ACC, Big Ten, SEC and Big 12. They will make up the end of the tournament, not these mediocre Big East teams that beat each other up and get overrated for it.

Kansas
Ohio State
Texas

Then 1 of
Purdue
BYU
Pitt

Maybe if Duke beats UNC convincingly on the road they could start to deserve a #1 seed. Maybe.

They might be a top 4 team, especially with Kyrie coming back, but what the hell have they done to deserve it this year? Beat Maryland on the road? Beat Marquette at a Neutral court? Sounds like a #1 to me.

[usnspecialist]

regardless of whether MSU is a "good team", winning by 20 in the breslin center is awfully damn tough to do.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Oops, was wrong about Purdue. Need to get rid of my IU bias :o

Washington Huskies: in or out of the tourney?

[usnspecialist]

Oops, was wrong about Purdue. Need to get rid of my IU bias :o

Washington Huskies: in or out of the tourney?

is there even a question that washington is in?

[Mr. Irrelevant]

is there even a question that washington is in?

I just brought that up to give them bubble attention. Their RPI is 43rd, SOS 64, 2-4 against the top 50, 5-2 against 51-100. 1 loss to a team outside the top 200. Best OOC win is Long Beach St.

The only Pac-10 locks are Arizona and UCLA at this point. If Washington loses out (USC and UCLA at home, don't see them losing both) I think they miss the tourney. If Wash loses out and Wash St./USC wins out, one of the latter teams may sneak in their.

EDIT: Is FIRECHIEF Ken Pomeroy?

[FTT]

Wasington has the most potential in the country so not only will that get them into the tourney it will also automatically send them to the final four

[Conigs]

Wasington has the most potential in the country so not only will that get them into the tourney it will also automatically send them to the final four

Must spread.

[Donkeykongrunner]

My two least favorite teams play tonight. ND and Nova. Here's to hoping ND wins and continues to push Nova out of the tournament.

[skurey]

Here's what I think will happen:

1 Seeds:
OSU
Pitt
Kansas/Texas
Duke

2 Seeds:
Kansas/Texas
BYU
Purdue
ND

3 Seeds:
SU
Louisville
UNC
Florida

4 Seeds:
Wisconsin
SDSU
UConn
Arizona

[FIRE CHIEF]

Washington makes no sense to me. They should be in the top 10 and have played like it a number of times this season. They made the sweet 16 as an 11 with less talent than they have now last year so I still wouldn't count them out.

And no I'm not Pomeroy. I do agree with a lot of his rankings but disagree on just as many.

And how come to I get flack for saying Washington is good when we have guys who literally think Purdue and Wisconsin are going to lose first round games? Or people that are picking four big east teams in the elite 8?

[Donkeykongrunner]

Washington makes no sense to me. They should be in the top 10 and have played like it a number of times this season. They made the sweet 16 as an 11 with less talent than they have now last year so I still wouldn't count them out.

And no I'm not Pomeroy. I do agree with a lot of his rankings but disagree on just as many.

They lost their best player last year... an NBA talent nonetheless.

[FIRE CHIEF]

They lost their best player last year... an NBA talent nonetheless.

No they didn't. Thomas is their best player. They still are a lot more dangerous than most teams that will be in the 8-9 seed range.

[Eva N]

Villanova looks terrible. Yeah, ND is raining threes, but Nova just can't score.

[murphxc04]

ashamed to be a fan.

[DirtyRobe]

I've always liked Villanova, mostly from watchin Scottie Reynolds, this game makes me sad. :(

[FIRE CHIEF]

Told you guys a long time ago Villanova stinks.

Notre Dame is a team that can have a lot of things go wrong. They are kind of slow. They probably cannot play man against athletic teams. They only play 7 guys, though that only bothers me in the sense of foul trouble and not fatigue.

[young money]

Told you guys a long time ago Villanova stinks.

Notre Dame is a team that can have a lot of things go wrong. They are kind of slow. They probably cannot play man against athletic teams. They only play 7 guys, though that only bothers me in the sense of foul trouble and not fatigue.
Notre Dame is the big east version of BYU.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Notre Dame is the big east version of BYU.

I think their guards are better after Fredette but BYU's big guys are probably more skilled.

Texas has no point guard and it's just going to kill them. They can't rely on Balbay just because nobody plays him until he gets to the foul line.

Frank Martin deserves a lot of credit though. Kansas State doesn't look like they have in any of his four years there. They are running sets on offense as opposed to one on one stuff. They also look to be a lot more sound defensively. They were absolutely terrible at defending ball screens earlier this year and even the last few years.

[Donkeykongrunner]

No they didn't. Thomas is their best player. They still are a lot more dangerous than most teams that will be in the 8-9 seed range.

Pondexter? He was Washington right?

Texas crashing and burning. BYU looking more and more like a #1 with no other favorites stepping up.

[Quenton_Cassidy]

Pondexter? He was Washington right?

Texas crashing and burning. BYU looking more and more like a #1 with no other favorites stepping up.

I'll probably get bashed for this....

But Purdue is legitimately moving up towards a possible number one seed?

[FIRE CHIEF]

I'll probably get bashed for this....

But Purdue is legitimately moving up towards a possible number one seed?

You're right, but you can't say that around here.

[skurey]

I'll probably get bashed for this....

But Purdue is legitimately moving up towards a possible number one seed?

Nope.

[Quenton_Cassidy]

I'll probably get bashed for this as well...

But on the subject of teams with some of the highest talent. I would throw Baylor up there too. They may not be super deep, but they have some high end talent on their team. They have a few players with NBA type of ability and bodies. Looking at their team they look like they should do work in college.... If they make it in, I wouldn't be surprised if they made some noise. That is a big question mark right now though.

[FIRE CHIEF]

I'll probably get bashed for this as well...

But on the subject of teams with some of the highest talent. I would throw Baylor up there too. They may not be super deep, but they have some high end talent on their team. They have a few players with NBA type of ability and bodies. Looking at their team they look like they should do work in college.... If they make it in, I wouldn't be surprised if they made some noise. That is a big question mark right now though.

They have lousy guards.

[Quenton_Cassidy]

They have lousy guards.

I didn't think Dunn and Walton were that bad...

They have Dunn who should get drafted... and they have Perry Jones who is apparently high on the draft boards of a few teams.

Walton and Acy aren't NBA quality I would say... but are decent for college players.

[FIRE CHIEF]

I didn't think Dunn and Walton were that bad...

They have Dunn who should get drafted... and they have Perry Jones who is apparently high on the draft boards of a few teams.

Walton and Acy aren't NBA quality I would say... but are decent for college players.

Dunn is really streaky and will lose moire games than win for you. Walton just is a chucker. Jones isn't bad but they don't run their offense through him.

[therunner12]

Perry Jones is one of the most athletic big men I've seen. He dribbled all the way up the court and scored 3 or 4 times against us on Saturday and we don't play lazy defense.

[Quenton_Cassidy]

On another note. St. Johns a hot team right now?

KState making a late push here.... Pullen said he wasn't going to play in the NIT lol.

[FIRE CHIEF]

To finish on baylor they are a guard oriented offense. That's just how Drew coaches. They just turn it over too much this year and aren't a great shooting team.

St. John's is hot but if you look at some statistics they should be coming down to earth. They foul at a ridiculously high rate.

Kansas State has impressed me. Southwell and Spradling the freshman guards have really chipped in nicely. They are the best perimeter defenders K-State has had in the Frank Martin Era. They compliment Pullen very well. Getting ballhogs like Wally Judge out of there has really helped out.

[Donkeykongrunner]

If Penn State upsets OSU tonight do they get a bid?


Minnesota and Illinois have been playing like they prefer the NIT. MSU stepping up a bit as well. I wish Purdue had Robbie so I could feel better about giving them a #1 seed but most other schools seem to be moving backward. They HAVE to beat the Illini tonight though.

[FIRE CHIEF]

No way. DEAD LAST will blow the biggest game of his life. 8 years as a coach in a major program and his biggest game is a regular season game. Welcome to DEAD LAST.

[Donkeykongrunner]

So IF they win. Do they get a bid? They have record in the Big Ten since it is a suckfest after the top 3 teams.

[chrisdiaz16]

rumors that kyrie is for sure playing saturday and maybe a few minutes tonight for the last home game...

i don't believe it, but i'll be there :D

[Picc5455]

rumors that kyrie is for sure playing saturday and maybe a few minutes tonight for the last home game...

i don't believe it, but i'll be there :D

<3 I hope to the Gods that this is true.

[skurey]

I remember when I had loser denial.

[Picc5455]

I remember when I had loser denial.

You just jelly.

[skurey]

Just don't get your hopes up about Irving, that's all.

Duke still has a good team without him.

[Picc5455]

Just don't get your hopes up about Irving, that's all.

Duke still has a good team without him.

Duke has an amazing team without him but I'd take him back. Who wouldn't?

[chrisdiaz16]

ha sounds like its for sure not true

but i'll still be there tonight.... and still hoping for kyrie at some point (although it's obviously seeming pretty unlikely at this point)

[Eva N]

No way. DEAD LAST will blow the biggest game of his life. 8 years as a coach in a major program and his biggest game is a regular season game. Welcome to DEAD LAST.

DeChellis or not, nobody's beating OSU when Diebler goes 10-12 on threes.

[FIRE CHIEF]

DeChellis or not, nobody's beating OSU when Diebler goes 10-12 on threes.

When your 4th best player is the all time three point shooter in big ten history you have a great team. People here like to bash Ohio State because I like them and because of who knows why else. They are legit number one. Maybe they'll get upset like Kansas last year, but any loss they have from here on out is definitely going to be an upset.

Purdue is up to a 1 seed with BYU kicking the big guy off the team IMO. They're going to have MAJOR rebounding issues without him.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I don't see how you can put a second Big Ten team in over Pitt. I was wrong about Purdue, they are a lot better than I thought. And they do deserve a 2 seed (I'll save my Purdue-out-in-the-second-round talk for later :o). But no way 2 Big Ten teams deserve it over the number 1 Big East team.

EDIT: And the BYU thing is a joke. Some of those honor code rules are absurd. But I guess it separates the classier and cleaner programs from the rest. Do you think OSU would have kicked a guy off for doing what Davies did? There is absolutely no way. That's why I like MSU and BYU.

[FIRE CHIEF]

I don't see how you can put a second Big Ten team in over Pitt. I was wrong about Purdue, they are a lot better than I thought. And they do deserve a 2 seed (I'll save my Purdue-out-in-the-second-round talk for later :o). But no way 2 Big Ten teams deserve it over the number 1 Big East team.

When they lose to South Florida tonight you'll be singing a different tune.

[Quenton_Cassidy]

BYU kisses title chances goodbye.

[skurey]

Case for #1

Team A:

RPI: 6
SOS: 18
Vs. RPI Top 25: 2-3
Vs. RPI Top 50: 6-3

Team B:
RPI: 7
SOS: 25
Vs. RPI Top 25: 6-3
Vs. RPI Top 50: 8-4

Team C:
RPI: 1
SOS: 12
Vs. RPI Top 25: 4-0
Vs. RPI Top 50: 9-1

Team D:
RPI: 5
SOS: 36
Vs. RPI Top 25: 2-1
Vs. RPI Top 50: 8-2

[FIRE CHIEF]

Let's see how good I am.

Team C is obviously BYU because they only have one top 50 loss. The other top teams all have multiple top 50 losses.

Team B I'm going to guess is Pitt with all the top 50 losses.

Team D is probably Duke with the weak SOS.

Team A I am not real sure on. I'm going to guess Notre Dame or Purdue.

The 4 one seeds right now are still OSU, Duke, Kansas and Pitt. Though I think Pitt is pretty close to peaking, or already have, and will look bad in the next week to lose the spot.

[Chicubsfan24]

Louisville is looking stronger every time I watch them. They could be a force come tournament time.

[FIRE CHIEF]

St. Bona's +12 at Duquesne
George Washington +7 at Rhode Island
UNC -3 at Florida State
UConn +5 at West Virginia
LaSalle -11 vs Fordham

I'm 5 for 5 on my parlay right now. Here's my jinx post.

[FTT]

uconn has beaten out syracuse for worst team in the BE

[skurey]

St. Bona's +12 at Duquesne
George Washington +7 at Rhode Island
UNC -3 at Florida State
UConn +5 at West Virginia
LaSalle -11 vs Fordham

I'm 5 for 5 on my parlay right now. Here's my jinx post.

UNC jerk just missed the wide open it doesn't matter in the context of the game 3.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

BYU officials confirmed Wednesday that starting forward Brandon Davies wasn't involved in anything criminal that resulted in his dismissal from the team.

BYU's honor code requires students to live a chaste and virtuous life, be honest, abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee and substance abuse, and attend church regularly.

Miss church, off the team. Never a miscommunication!

Tea goes in, bad person comes out. You can't explain that.

[therunner12]

Hahaha, he got suspended for sex.

I hope he transfers.

[usnspecialist]

I don't see how you can put a second Big Ten team in over Pitt. I was wrong about Purdue, they are a lot better than I thought. And they do deserve a 2 seed (I'll save my Purdue-out-in-the-second-round talk for later :o). But no way 2 Big Ten teams deserve it over the number 1 Big East team.

EDIT: And the BYU thing is a joke. Some of those honor code rules are absurd. But I guess it separates the classier and cleaner programs from the rest. Do you think OSU would have kicked a guy off for doing what Davies did? There is absolutely no way. That's why I like MSU and BYU.

friend of mine from HS got kicked out of BYU (she was on the girls basketball team) for getting knocked up by harvey unga, who was her bf. Her brother is tony moeaki (chiefs starting TE), so they have pretty strict rules there.

[therunner12]

These announcers are really pissing me off. They have called players by the wrong name at least 5 times.

[DonnieDarko]

i heard he got kicked of bc he played the "i just had sex" coney island & akon song, and a guy in the next room heard and insta ratted him out.

gg

[Ecliptica]

The BYU honor code is the same as the Pepperdine one (attend church services every Wednesday morning, no premarital sex, no being in the room of the opposite sex after 1:00 AM, no drinking, etc.) We've had to release athletes for the same sort of stuff.

I would never go to undergrad at one of those schools, but you know what you're getting into when you sign up.

[martyr]

The BYU honor code is the same as the Pepperdine one (attend church services every Wednesday morning, no premarital sex, no being in the room of the opposite sex after 1:00 AM, no drinking, etc.) We've had to release athletes for the same sort of stuff.

I would never go to undergrad at one of those schools, but you know what you're getting into when you sign up.

not always true. i signed with a stupid faith based school as well, but my coaches went over the rules of the school with me and gave me misleading information regarding it.

[Swoosh13]

When your 4th best player is the all time three point shooter in big ten history you have a great team. People here like to bash Ohio State because I like them and because of who knows why else. They are legit number one. Maybe they'll get upset like Kansas last year, but any loss they have from here on out is definitely going to be an upset.

Purdue is up to a 1 seed with BYU kicking the big guy off the team IMO. They're going to have MAJOR rebounding issues without him.

Ohio State is #1 but they aren't as good as Kansas was last year, nor are they as far ahead of the field. UK was the only team that I thought was in their league going into the tourney, but you never knew what was going to happen with those young guys.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

friend of mine from HS got kicked out of BYU (she was on the girls basketball team) for getting knocked up by harvey unga, who was her bf. Her brother is tony moeaki (chiefs starting TE), so they have pretty strict rules there.

I know the rules are rules, but it still makes me mad when good people who are honest get punished. This just makes lying that much more appealing. When you tell the truth, you get punished heavily. When you lie, people say you would have gotten into less trouble if you would have just told the truth in the first place. That's not even true. Honesty is the way to go, but acts like this will increase lying by a decent amount. Why not lie? They can't prove anything if you say you didn't do anything.

I am generally a fan of honor code rules. I would comply with all of the BYU rules no problem, but they need to punish people accordingly. Drinking coffee doesn't warrant an expulsion from school. When you speed, you break the rules and pay accordingly. When you murder, you break the rules and pay accordingly. Their are different classes of wrongdoing. Having sex with your girlfriend is against the rules, so suspend the guy for a game or two. Maybe the Mountain West tournament or something. But to kick him off the team and possibility out of the university? That's a travesty.

People have to know that this stuff happens at colleges with codes like this. They pick on athletes. This is the BYU honor code right? Not just the basketball honor code. You'd be naive to tell me that kids aren't drinking or having sex on campus.

And don't Big East and Big Ten players have to abide to a code of conduct as well? Those guys are drinking mid season, skipping class, and stealing. No problem though. Carlos Dunlap DUI? Sit a quarter, come back for bowl season.

I'm really hoping this was a 4th or 5th offense. If he had previous problems missing practices, feuding with coaches, and drinking, then maybe he deserved such a harsh punishment. But if this was the 1st or 2nd offense, that is ridiculous.

[Swoosh13]

I always question these late season injury reports. There is a lot to gain by acting like your player is going to come back, the commitee is pretty ruthless on injuries. I really doubt Singleton is coming back from a broken foot that quickly but FSU is saying that he is. Idk about Irving either.

[young money]

Ohio State is #1 but they aren't as good as Kansas was last year, nor are they as far ahead of the field. UK was the only team that I thought was in their league going into the tourney, but you never knew what was going to happen with those young guys.
kansas was massively overrated last year. they were never that impressive in what was also a parity filled season of hoops. I thought Duke and UK were easily more impressive than KU most of last year. I think Ohio state is pretty easily as good as KU last year too.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Saw BYU player at Starbucks. Called 911.

BYU student said he was gay. Called 911.

BYU girl went to guy's room to get a stapler. Called 911.

BYU student wore running shorts on campus. Called 911.

BYU male participated in No Shave November. Called 911.

[Swoosh13]

kansas was massively overrated last year. they were never that impressive in what was also a parity filled season of hoops. I thought Duke and UK were easily more impressive than KU most of last year. I think Ohio state is pretty easily as good as KU last year too.

No way was Duke more impressive in the regular season, that's some revisionist history there. Kansas' only losses were at Tennessee and at Ok State. Sure they had some close wins, but Ohio State has squeaked out some wins this year against bad Big Ten teams (Michigan, Iowa, PSU)

[usnspecialist]

with the downfall of BYU, the door is open for either purdue or pitt/ND to get that last 1 seed. I think if one of those 2 teams wins the big east tourney they get it, if not it opens the door for purdue if they can win the big 10. Problem is going to be, if this year is like past years the big 10 final will end about 30 min before the selection show and that game is often not factored in.

[Swoosh13]

with the downfall of BYU, the door is open for either purdue or pitt/ND to get that last 1 seed. I think if one of those 2 teams wins the big east tourney they get it, if not it opens the door for purdue if they can win the big 10. Problem is going to be, if this year is like past years the big 10 final will end about 30 min before the selection show and that game is often not factored in.

It's bullsh*t because winning games in the BTT doesn't help you at all, but losing hurts you

[FIRE CHIEF]

Cue the St. John's meltdown.

Ohio State is better than Kansas last year, but I would pick Kansas to win that tournament last year 8 times out of ten filling out a bracket. Probably Kentucky and Duke the other time. Just like this year I'd pock Ohio State most times and maybe Kansas and Duke other than them. I'd be surprised if anybody outside of those three wins it all.

[usnspecialist]

It's bullsh*t because winning games in the BTT doesn't help you at all, but losing hurts you

getting to the final helps you, that is about it though.

[FIRE CHIEF]

getting to the final helps you, that is about it though.

They can easily make two brackets during the final and just use the one depending on who wins. All you'd have to do it re-order a few Big Ten and the other conference of the potential top seed.

[usnspecialist]

They can easily make two brackets during the final and just use the one depending on who wins. All you'd have to do it re-order a few Big Ten and the other conference of the potential top seed.

they can but looking at past seedings it is fairly obvious they dont. The only time they really do that is if a team that wouldnt normally make it makes the final (i.e illinois a few years ago, iowa with luke recker/reggie evans, illinois as an 11 seed the first year of the tourney).

[FIRE CHIEF]

they can but looking at past seedings it is fairly obvious they dont. The only time they really do that is if a team that wouldnt normally make it makes the final (i.e illinois a few years ago, iowa with luke recker/reggie evans, illinois as an 11 seed the first year of the tourney).

Oh I realize they don't. But you'd think if it came down to a 1 seed they would. It's not hard at all. You would just have to rearrange conference teams so they didn't play until the elite 8, or sweet 16 in the big East's case.

[FIRE CHIEF]

Will UConn, Villanova or Georgetown get back on track today? Doubtful. With three tough games for them it's safe to say they are all in a full fledged collapse heading into the Big East tournament. St. John's is hot on their heels and the Big East is all of a sudden looking exactly like what it is. A gigantic fraud.

As for St. John's, all you guys that like to do the we beat they beat who beat crap look at this. They lost to Fordham and St. Bona's. If that was Michigan State or Illinois or Washington or Kentucky losing to those types of teams you would absolutely kill them for it. You just sweep the awful St. John's losses under the rug. I personally don't think a loss in December should mean anything right now. Not even in head to head determination. But, for those of you who do, St. John's is not really that attractive.

The reason they aren't attractive to me is because their coach is a streetball guy. They run no offense whatsoever. They are mixing up that zone defense and press pretty well, but it's very aggressive and lets a lot of open looks happen if the offensive team can reverse the ball. They just cannot score in the halfcourt offense though. Most of their big wins came by getting out and running. Plus they foul at a very high rate. They'll allow 30 free throws a game at least in the tournament with the tightly officiated games and free throw attempts is a far more important statistic than the free throw percentage everybody fixates on for some reason.

[watch me walk]

Big Game today in A2. M GO BLUE!

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[boltoncct&f]

Big Game today in A2. M GO BLUE!

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What did you say? I was not paying attention.......

[TeamOrange]

Wow Louisville, wow

WHAT THE **** WHERE YOU THINKING FOULING HIM THERE

[ASCII]

Wow Louisville, wow

WHAT THE **** WHERE YOU THINKING FOULING HIM THERE

That has to be a tough loss to take. I liked how he tried to miss the second free throw but ended up making it.

[TeamOrange]

That has to be a tough loss to take. I liked how he tried to miss the second free throw but ended up making it.

Yeah I remember a few years ago Pitsnogle was suppose to miss a freethrow and made the oddest foul shout I ever seen. Pitsnogle was and still is probably my favorite college player ever

[TeamOrange]

Yeah I remember a few years ago Pitsnogle was suppose to miss a freethrow and made the oddest foul shout I ever seen. Pitsnogle was and still is probably my favorite college player ever

Just found out what he is up to these days:

Now, at 24, he is a middle school teacher in his hometown. He is also an unpaid assistant coach for a high school basketball team. He bowls in leagues three nights a week and occasionally plays bingo at Big Bucks Bingo. His wife, Heather, is a bank teller. They have two children and live in a double-wide trailer, and together they wonder how much appetite they have for uprooting their lives again so Pittsnogle can have one more chance at a basketball career.


It could be no other way, glad he found that double wide

Edit: Creeped found his facebook, listed under favorite books, Scary Movies :D

[skurey]

And there goes the ridiculous thought of Purdue being a 1 seed

[hjfrick]

Anybody else watching Princeton vs Harvard?:D
Srsly, good game so far.

[watch me walk]

Anybody else watching Princeton vs Harvard?:D
Srsly, good game so far.

yep. cheering for harvard! it'll help michigan.

[Picc5455]

**** UNC at least there will be a hopeful rematch for the acc conference title in a week. Duke played real bad. Shooting was so bad but this was something I was kinda expecting. They have an off shooting night and then will be solid for the next few games, hopefully they carry the good shooting to the ****ing national title game.

[Michael Johnson]

Well...that's what I expect to happen when Kyle Singler doesn't show up and Duke goes 6-27 for 3s and no player hits a 3 except Seth Curry. There's no shame in losing at Chapel Hill, but it's the way they lost. one field goal in the last 10 minutes of play, horrible. Really wish they hadn't lost against Virginia Tech too, going 1 for 3 in the last 3 games cost them the ACC

The team last year had 5 losses and won the national championship, so they still have a shot of course, but this better be the last game where they can't shoot to save their lives

[TeamOrange]

Interesting day, at least SJU and WVU won