ESPN Rise Coverage...

[Administrator]

A thread dedicated to following the dystat/ESPN Rise controversy. Uncensored - you can say your real feelings and thoughts.

1) Horrible forum
2) Registration problems
3) Sub-4 mishap.
4) Speed Zone Article...
5) Lack of knowledgeable writers in general


Letsrun Threads:

only two high schoolers broke 4...
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3538558

Speed zone thread:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3539651

Dyestat Threads:

Headlines for ESPN RISE (Speed Zone)
http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=113033

ESPN Rise Coverage:
http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=112987

ESPN Rise Boycott:
http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=113038

SteveU response to Atchoo's sub-4 article
http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=113030

My thoughts: On one end I feel bad because we are messing with SteveU's and John Dye's jobs by being uncooperative. However another side of me is angry and feels like John Dye sold out his community for $$$.

[Administrator]

http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=113077

The title is quite deceiving...I feel tricked.

[KKreme15]

So mad at dyestat right now.

[kick'em.down]

Dyestat definitely does not live much longer

[wineturtle]

Originally posted by Administrator@May 13 2010, 09:14 PM
A thread dedicated to following the dystat/ESPN Rise controversy. Uncensored - you can say your real feelings and thoughts.

1) Horrible forum
2) Registration problems
3) Sub-4 mishap.
4) Speed Zone Article...
5) Lack of knowledgeable writers in general


Letsrun Threads:

only two high schoolers broke 4...
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3538558

Speed zone thread:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3539651

Dyestat Threads:

Headlines for ESPN RISE (Speed Zone)
http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=113033

ESPN Rise Coverage:
http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=112987

ESPN Rise Boycott:
http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=113038

SteveU response to Atchoo's sub-4 article
http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=113030

My thoughts: On one end I feel bad because we are messing with SteveU's and John Dye's jobs by being uncooperative. However another side of me is angry and feels like John Dye sold out his community for $$$.
I have a thread up in the old playground
please reply to it

I expect that when it shakes out we wind up going to ESPNrise for NEWS and Result/rankings and content from Steve David and the Dye writing team and gather here for the social bond.

honest opinion

The win win for rise is they get the front pasge hits they need and as new freshman HSers start registering there they will be educated to the many other great site that serve our sport.
win win for helping them-we get a feeder site for our growth here-
Since this boards Admin has indicated they want to make this a balanced board with HS college and after- they want to be your lifetime track centric social board-

no conflict

HSer can still be HSer here with more mature boundaries no need to be molded into a Disneyvision of a model child there.

Tom

Some day you guys will even see the merit in the old men (our average age is 3 DAYS from DEAD) on the T&FN board.
Let the risers mature into TrackTalk.tk ers.

[Administrator]

I think it would be awesome if people went to ESPN & Tracktalk.tk like many switch between letsrun/dyestat :)

[wineturtle]

Originally posted by Administrator@May 16 2010, 09:50 AM
I think it would be awesome if people went to ESPN & Tracktalk.tk like many switch between letsrun/dyestat :)
It`s like the Mall Model of Business - work together to get more people to the mall the more folks at the mall the greater chance someone stops at your shop.
Track junkies have a place like this and fair weather fans have ESPNrise.
The great reporting by Steve,David and the gang would be overwhelmingly expensive for a site like this but it can serve as the incubator for the topics here.
Fairweather fans dote on the "once around the HS track/turnover" thing Larry Rawson does. We understand the science behind it. Let those fans have their place to talk about some local kid" training for the Olympics" or the latest Gina Colata article on running a 4 hour ~thon~ maybe it will draw a couple dozen fans into the stadium for a meet and maybe 3 or 4 will like what the see and grow into real fans. Baby steps baby steps.
ESPNrise will do some stuff to attend to the sqeaky wheel that is the sub-board dealing with track but sooner that later they will say--Enough already this is what we are giving you learn to live with it or move on.

I'm betting that day comes this week for the ESPNrise suits.


Someone PMed my on Dye saying I was abandoning this place- not so- but I am a realist - I`ve got one more round of my(our) idea of a good track board vrs ESPNrises` vision of a polymorphic HSsports site left in me- but after that- It`s time we attend to growing this place-.

Get your state board active- get the HS elite board humming- start learning about the college scene- Alex`s young hardbody thread is awesome :wub: :yes: but lets turn some of that energy to building the track content across all boards. Disney coined the phrase "Leaders of the 21st Century" in their Mickey Mouse Club TV show of the 1950s- lets show Disney what the real leaders of the 21st Century can do.


Edit-Did I actually say ~`thon~ :angry: next you'll hear me talking about the' full mile' NOT :no: , :no: a thousand times :no:

[rehler]

Some very good points have been brought up. I think that ESPNrise could possibly be more of a benefit for track as a whole. ESPN is the powerhouse of the sports world, hopefully it's track coverage will bring more notice to this wonderful sport of ours that usually gets looked over in favor of baseball. The fact that ESPNrise forums suck will just bring people here, which will allow for a site to grow around the track community.

I agree with building this site up, I think it's time Tracktalk.tk goes to the next level. From what I've noticed, track talk seems limited and that should be a focus. I know a lot of state meets are coming up so I think it would be possible to drum up some excitement through that. I think something that would be epic would be to have a list of the top-5 or so runners in each state going into the state meet and use that as kind of a prediction thing. It would be a big task but it would be pretty neat.

I'm not sure if the homepage will help or not. Part of it would be buying a domain and I have no clue how that project is going to raise money for that. Hopefully both projects happen because both could end up being huge assets to the site.

Also, I thought I read somewhere that if this site came up with a solid business plan, some running company was interested in sponsoring or something. I think Zen Miler posted that. Is this going to happen?

[Doc Awesome]

didnt sage break 4 minutes for the mile?

I think it was summer after his sr year, but does that count?

and these shenanigans are sad on the part of espn and dyestat

[Administrator]

http://il.dyestat.com/?pg=about
:o

Dyestat: A history.

DyeStat Gets New Resources

"2004 brought exciting times for DyeStat!

Donna and I sold DyeStat.com to BC Sports, the company that owns Student Sports. Student Sports is a print and online publishing company with longstanding and deep relationships with high school football, basketball and soccer players through the publications and special events it promotes.

BC Sports approached Donna and me because they would like to establish the same strong connection to the high school track & field athlete that they have with the other sports. They asked us to continue to manage DyeStat.com for the next four years (at least) while they explore ways to help us make DyeStat.com bigger and better.
When we started DyeStat 8 years ago, we had no idea what it would become. I sometimes called it a hobby gone berserk. It has certainly come to dominate my life. I had to consider that at my age (a very healthy 68, but 68 nevertheless), I couldn't keep doing DyeStat seven days a week indefinitely. In order to have other people take over some of my duties, we needed new revenues or outside investors. Fortunately for all of us, BC Sports stepped up. They pledged to continue everything we now provide and to add even more features. Donna and I will continue to cover all the big meets for years to come."
--John Dye


The First 10 Years

"It all started in 1995 when high school freshman Derek Dye announced to his dad, John Dye, that he had joined the track team at Middletown MD High School. Dad was only a casual fan of track at that point, but he was a lifelong sports nut, computer nut and stats nut. Dad put the three together along with track parent instincts and started a stat service (results and rankings) for coaches in western Maryland. Daughter Natalie, a year behind Derek in school, joined the team the next year.
Dad's hobby was always about keeping track of the kids' competition. As the kids got better, the sphere of interest grew wider -- county, region, and state. In 1997, Derek (high jump) and Natalie (pole vault) each won Maryland state championships. Now, Dad wanted to know how they ranked nationally, so he compiled national rankings from state meet results for boys high jump and girls pole vault. DyeStat became a web site the following year, with coast to coast coverage and national rankings.
DyeStat faced a big fork in the road in 2000. Derek and Natalie were both off to college, so track parent instincts were no longer in play. But Dad was hooked on high school track by then and wanted to keep the site going if sponsors could be found to cover the growing expenses. First Rivals and then Nike met that need, along with the National Scholastic Sports Foundation and other meet sponsors such as the New York Armory, Mt. SAC, Simplot, Great American, Golden West, FootLocker, Mobile AL, Sugar Bowl LA, Portage MI, Hilliard Davidson OH, Great Southwest, Golden South, the Indiana All Star Running Club and Iolani HI.
Site traffic soared each year, making DyeStat the most popular source in the nation for news of high school track and field and cross country. The hobby became a full time occupation, and a family affair. Derek regularly put his computer science skills to use in behalf of DyeStat. Mom, Donna Dye, started talking to people on the sidelines at meets and her page, Donna on the Side, became one of the most popular features of DyeStat."

[The Dan]

That's not the history of dyestat.

THIS is The History of DyeStat:

http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php...history+dyestat (http://www.talk.dyestat.com/showthread.php?t=23311&highlight=history+dyestat)

[wineturtle]

I posted this on Dye
cliche as it is
It is what it is

I spent some time on the phone with Ben Sylvan today,while topic driven it was more social than nuts and bolts in scope.
I came away with the feeling he does care and has a passion in his voice when it comes to getting this done as best possible.
I direct you to steveu`s post, remember Ben has a corporate vision he must serve and that vision is much broader than our one board.
He agreed that things were done in a mannor less than satisfactory from his viewpoint as well.
To get this done this is the moment to stop blame and demands and enter in a meaningful dialogue of--- this is what we have this is what we can modify at the (insert jargon here techno level).
To that end he is assembling a focus group as we speak.
steveu has been working on the physical stuff and has been a bit out of the loop as to day to day stuff that happened here on Track Talk. Ben will be calling on steve and the dyestaff to advise him on picking members for the panel(s).
Will some people feel it`s too little too late- you bet your bippy
will some see that we can work with the results- I am sure
will most know that what ever the middle ground now, it would have been
better if we worked together from the start- yes sadly
Will the Dye Nation rise to power the Rise Nation and assist ESPNrise in giving all HS sports the attention they deserve-- it truely rests with the folks who are in the focus groups.
To use a Disney phrase
YOU ARE THE LEADERS OF THE 21st CENTURY-
Now get out there and freekn` lead

Tom