Skiing

[MAyhem]

I take it upon myself to start the tracktalk skiing thread now that dyestat has died. We honor those who came before us by fighting for what is right and by continuing to talk meaninglessly about the best sport ever made on snow.

[thegacfish]

Yay snow! I have been out skiing each of the last two days.

[MArauder]

Good call

[110136]

Does anyone know if any ski areas that blow artificial snow have opened?

[MedialMeniscus]

Does anyone know if any ski areas that blow artificial snow have opened?

Troll opened last week. Check with their website for hours. Also, check the trail reports on Skinnyski.

http://www.skinnyski.com/trails/reports.asp

[runner112]

Okay, now that we have some great snow, let's talk skiing people. Top teams and individuals for this season?

[110136]

ISD and Lakeville North will pound SSC now that EP is gone.

[800m_Man]

Results:

http://skinnyski.com/racing/highschool/2010/dec07greenacres.pdf

Julia Harrison, Mound Westonka, wins girls.
Thomas Kendrick, Central, wins boys.

[runner112]

First SSC race tomorrow, 4 person relay at valleywood.

[ERferg]

10-16 more coming Saturday, this is almost too much snow!

[MAyhem]

Anyone have a clue why Ben Saxon is ranked so low?

[MTUSKI]

Because his last name starts with S and the rankings in the star tribune are just the top 10 returning in alphabetical order.

[ERferg]

where are these said rankings located? Linkage?

[runner112]

where are these said rankings located? Linkage?

http://www.startribune.com/sports/preps/111562174.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiacyKUzyaP37D_ncyD_2yckUr

Scroll down, Nordic is below alpine.

[110136]

Lewis Kunik is going to be awesome this year... I would definitely put him in the top 10.

Classic JOQ results: http://67.23.19.61/system/files/3045/original/Sun_10k_Cat.pdf?1292189239

Skate JOQ results: http://67.23.19.61/system/files/3035/original/Sat_10k_Cat.pdf?1292093908

[runner112]

Boys: http://www.raceberryjam.com/2011/ssubclassic2boys.html

Girls: http://www.raceberryjam.com/2011/ssubclassic2girls.html

[110136]

Boys: http://raceberryjam.com/2011/ssubclassic1boys.html

Girls: http://raceberryjam.com/2011/ssubclassic1girls.html

[ERferg]

Boys: http://raceberryjam.com/2011/ssubclassic1boys.html

Girls: http://raceberryjam.com/2011/ssubclassic1girls.html

An impressive performance from a certain Jan Ketterson. Sounds like you've gotten a little stronger?

[Nelly]

Does anyone have a link to the video that was posted on DyeStat about the crash at the state meeta few years ago? I looked but I couldn't find it, I think ERferg posted it?

I feel bad for everyone who raced at the Lakeville meet at Kenwood today. The snow was horrible and pretty icey.

[ERferg]

Does anyone have a link to the video that was posted on DyeStat about the crash at the state meeta few years ago? I looked but I couldn't find it, I think ERferg posted it?

I feel bad for everyone who raced at the Lakeville meet at Kenwood today. The snow was horrible and pretty icey.

not at the state meet, but is this what you were talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJbfNNAw650

[110136]

I feel bad for everyone who raced at the Lakeville meet at Kenwood today. The snow was horrible and pretty icey.

Very true! Had my first faceplant/blood spilled of the season.

Anyways, has anyone else experienced knee pain from skate skiing? The inside of my knee hurt a little bit before the race, only when skiing and walking up stairs, but it hurt significantly more during and now is terrible. I can't really put any weight on my left leg when it is bent and probably can't ski for a couple days. Any advice, other than icing and ibuprofen?

[Nelly]

not at the state meet, but is this what you were talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJbfNNAw650

Yes that is the video!! Thanks alot:D

Very true! Had my first faceplant/blood spilled of the season.

Anyways, has anyone else experienced knee pain from skate skiing? The inside of my knee hurt a little bit before the race, only when skiing and walking up stairs, but it hurt significantly more during and now is terrible. I can't really put any weight on my left leg when it is bent and probably can't ski for a couple days. Any advice, other than icing and ibuprofen?

Yeah you looked pretty rough coming across the finish line.

I felt some pain in about the same area of my knee today when I was out skiing, not sure if it's from skiing though. You can always try various stretches to lessen the pain or find the exact problem.

[lord of the apes]

im pretty sure this is track talk not ski talk...

[patdfan112]

Very true! Had my first faceplant/blood spilled of the season.

Anyways, has anyone else experienced knee pain from skate skiing? The inside of my knee hurt a little bit before the race, only when skiing and walking up stairs, but it hurt significantly more during and now is terrible. I can't really put any weight on my left leg when it is bent and probably can't ski for a couple days. Any advice, other than icing and ibuprofen?

Probably slight tendinitis of the knee (Most likely Patellar tendonitis, or Jumpers knee, this is just an educated guess. Though on a more serious note could be a MCL or LCL tear, highly unlikely, but still possible). I wasn't there and from this basic description it's what i can infer from my medical knowledge. Basically, to help recovery and prevention, R.I.C.E (Rest Ice Compress Elevation) make sure you form is correct usually biggest reason for injury. Also, make sure to use tylenol, won't make you bleed out, unlike Advil and Motrin. That's more for concussions, but whatever. Also, make sure when you wrap the knee with an ACE bandage to leave the patella open so you don't create swelling, and loss of circulation. Elevate above the heart too, to drain the blood from the area. Get Healthy soon Jan.

[MedialMeniscus]

Very true! Had my first faceplant/blood spilled of the season.

Anyways, has anyone else experienced knee pain from skate skiing? The inside of my knee hurt a little bit before the race, only when skiing and walking up stairs, but it hurt significantly more during and now is terrible. I can't really put any weight on my left leg when it is bent and probably can't ski for a couple days. Any advice, other than icing and ibuprofen?

I am going to guess a stretch / sprain of the knee's medial collateral ligament due to repetitive valgus positioning if the knee while under load. (knee is canted inward - knock-knee position - this causes a stretch to the medial collateral ligament referred to as the MCL) Jumper's knee (patellar tendinopathy) or pain anterior / inferior to the patella (Osgood-Schlatter's disease) would affect the front of the knee, not the inner knee. I doubt that you'd have a problem with the medial meniscus because poor skating technique is likely to put more load on the lateral meniscus. :)


http://www.orthopale.com/images/HTVO-valgus-varus.jpg


Another malady that could be affecting you is pes anserine bursitis. Scroll down this document to read about it and see a picture depicting its location.

http://www.aidmybursa.com/pes_anserine_tendonitis.php


edit: I found this which pretty much backs up my theory, based on the physics of skate skiing, of a medial collateral ligament sprain.

http://www.fpnotebook.com/Sports/Skiing/CrsCntrySkng.htm



Common Cross Country Skiing Injuries

Hip and thigh
Hamstring Strain

Knee
Medial Collateral Ligament Sprain (most common)
Anterior Cruciate Ligament Rupture
Medial or Lateral Meniscal Tear
Patellofemoral Syndrome

Ankle and calf
Acute Lateral Ankle Sprain
Medial Tibial Stress Syndrome
Exertional Compartment Syndrome

Foot
Hallux Rigidus (Skier's Toe)
Sesamoid inflammation of great toe

Shoulder
Acromioclavicular joint separation
Rotator Cuff Tendinitis

Elbow
Triceps tendinitis

Hand and wrist
Ulnar Collateral Ligament Rupture (Skier's Thumb)
Wrist extensor tendinitis

Cold related injury
Frostbite
Hypothermia
Exercise Induced Bronchospasm (EIB)
X-C Skiing has highest EIB rate of all winter sports
EIB in 50% of Olympic skiers (25% in other sports)
Wilber (2000) Med Sci Sports Exerc 32(4):732-7
Slow warm-up prior to cold Exercise may reduce EIB
Slowly build-up exertion level in a work-out
Warm-up before a ski race



TREATMENT

http://www.thestretchinghandbook.com/archives/medial-collateral-ligament.php

[110136]

Thanks! I talked more with my school's trainer, and it is probably just a sprain like you said. She thinks it either came from skiing on the ice snow a few days ago, overuse, or my weird fall during the race (I was bleeding on my left hip and was covered with snow on the right side of my face???). It still hurts a little bit, but I haven't learned to be cautious enough to skip Mesabi!

[runner112]

It still hurts a little bit, but I haven't learned to be cautious enough to skip Mesabi!

He put the team on his back!

[patdfan112]

He put the team on his back!

TOUCHDOWN!! GREG JEMMINGS.... wait wrong sport

[runner112]

48 Jan Ketterson, 11 5:13 Bloomington Jefferson


Jan invented a new classic sprint technique. I think it involves kicking a ski off 200m into the race and finishing with one ski...

[MedialMeniscus]

Anyone look familiar, MAyhem?

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/MedialMeniscus/BrochmanSeniorPic1977.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/MedialMeniscus/LindsayBrown3rdStateMeet1976.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k235/MedialMeniscus/KevinLindsay1977Yearbook.jpg

edit: So, MArauder and MAyhem...unless I am mistaken on who you are, are you going to acknowledge your amazing father in these pics or what?

[MAyhem]

Tri Metro Conference Results are up on Raceberryjam.com
MA boys and Blake girls take home the victories.
Time for some state predictions. What are you guys thinking?

[MArauder]

Tri Metro Conference Results are up on Raceberryjam.com
MA boys and Blake girls take home the victories.
Time for some state predictions. What are you guys thinking?
Guys: Kyle Bratrud and Hopkins
Girls: Sharmila Ahmed and Roseville

[MTUSKI]

1. Saxton
2. Bratrud
3. Dodds
4. Parr

[110136]

agreed

[MArauder]

Guys: Kyle Bratrud and Hopkins
Girls: Sharmila Ahmed and Roseville

I would like to change my pick from Hopkins to Southwest

[hoegher]

City of Lakes Loppet, anyone?

[thegacfish]

Ug, it was a slow day. I will be looking for redemtion at Mora.

[MArauder]

Section 1
1.Saxton
2.Parr
3.Kunik
4.Dodds (looks like he took the classic pretty easy)

Parr leads Eagan over Lakeville North for the team victory
http://www.raceberryjam.com/2011/section1nordicboys.html

Minnehaha boys win Section 3 over St Paul Central

1. Thomas Kendrick
2. Nate Brown
3. Eric Slater
4. Chace Russell
5. Luke Brown
(educated guess on 4)

[ERferg]

so the question is again posed, will St. Cloud Tech score at state with their 5 individual qualifiers? I think that would be fair...

[MAster]

so the question is again posed, will St. Cloud Tech score at state with their 5 individual qualifiers? I think that would be fair...

I think they can! I remember last year stat results had a girls team with 4 individual qualifiers get a team score...

[DrBones]

TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR SECTION AND STATE NORDIC SKI RACING MEETS


SCORING PROCEDURE
The team score will be determined by totaling the points scored by the top four finishers in the pursuit event. The first-place finisher of the event receives the full value of the scoring base. Each successive finisher shall score one point less than the previous place. Each team member will hold his or her place in the final standing. In case of a tie, the skiers share the value of their positions. The team with the highest overall score shall be declared the winner. All skiers shall maintain their individual ranking. Teams with fewer than four (4) finishers shall be included in the team point totals. At the State Meet non-team qualifiers will ski only as individuals and will not be included in the team scoring.

On the MSHSL website, there are only 8 girls and 8 boys teams listed in the results from last year

[MAyhem]

MAnordic 3rd place in the State!!!!!! Just a little shoutout to the boys back home and MAster!

[MAster]

Southwest's top (i think) skier, Corkey Harr broke is collar bone a few days before state. They could have possibly out done East for the title. Apparently, one of their skiers is from Norway-- that came out of no where!

[runner112]

I was wondering where he went, didn't see him on the state results.

[thegacfish]

Anyone else seen how many Norwegians are on the start list (http://skinnyski.com/racing/results/2011/BirkieElite.pdf)? Dang!

[runner112]

Anyone else seen how many Norwegians are on the start list (http://skinnyski.com/racing/results/2011/BirkieElite.pdf)? Dang!

8/338? Is that a lot? Idk

[MAster]

Slush rush anyone? http://www.skinnyski.com/racing/forms/2011/slushrush.pdf

And are you all going to the Junior Olympics at Worth this next week? I am for sure!

[MAyhem]

Slush rush anyone? http://www.skinnyski.com/racing/forms/2011/slushrush.pdf

And are you all going to the Junior Olympics at Worth this next week? I am for sure!

Are you dylsecix MAster?

[thegacfish]

For all you high school (or older skiers) skiers out there, unfortunate news that another MN college has decided to cut its ski team. I would like to encourage everyone to sign this petition (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/csbsjuskiteam/)in support of saving the St. Johns and St. Bens teams. Losing these programs makes skiing as a whole weaker in the state, and it further narrows the options that people have if they want to ski in college. It sucks.

Sign the petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/csbsjuskiteam/

[MAyhem]

bump.

Harris Dirnberger has the #1 ranking, top returning skier.

Anyone know what the scoop is about Anna Kubec on the women's side?

[runner112]

Saxton finished 5th today at US nationals in a classic sprint race. Not junior nationals...US Senior Nationals. This guy is going places.

[Free $ For Everyone]

Saxton finished 5th today at US nationals in a classic sprint race. Not junior nationals...US Senior Nationals. This guy is going places.
QFE

Here are the ages of the guys who made the A and B finals:

A:
1. Torin Koos 32
2. Michael Sinnott 27
3. Skyler Davis 21
4. Blackhorse 26
5. Ben Saxton 19
6. Alexander Howe 23

B:
7. Trygve Markset 23
8. Matthew Gelso 24
9. Samuel Naney 28
10. Miles Havlick 23
11. Ryan Scott 23
12. Peter Kling 25

Absolutely Unbelievable is the only thing I've got...Hopefully he can keep this up in the distance races.

[ERferg]

Jessie Diggins has moved up to 27th place overall in the Tour De Ski after four stages and with three to go it's looking good for her. She's moved up almost 10 spots in each stage and is poised to move up a few more tomorrow in the 3k classic race.
http://nordic.usskiteam.com/news/tour-de-ski-gap-closes-kowalczyk

Kikkan Randal has won 2/4 stages so far and is representing America well. If you'[d like to watch along online and you do not have the resources to watch on universal sports, this fellow has been uploading them on youtube:
http://vrosetta.blogspot.com/p/cross-country-ski-videos_8.html

[Free $ For Everyone]

Ben Saxton qualifies for the World Junior Championships in Liberec based on his performance at US Nationals last week. He was the 2nd of 6 in the Junior category to qualify. Eden Prairie alum Kyle Bratrud also qualified. Nice to see some MN guys representing the US. Congrats to both.

https://www.nationalnordicfoundation.org/2013/01/nnf-funded-u23jr-world-nordic-championship-u18j1-scando-cup-teams-named/

[MedialMeniscus]

Jessie Diggins story: http://www.presspubs.com/eedition/page_e6a3479d-547c-56e2-b248-430f867b947b.html#page_a8

Live radio updates of the State XC skiing meet here: http://www.wely.com/index.php?Itemid=33&id=4&option=com_content&view=article

[ERferg]

Jessie Diggins just won a world championship in the team sprint. This is huge for Minnesota and U.S. cross country. Congrats to Jessie, it was a beautiful race to watch.

Watch it here: http://www.crosscountryski.us/

[thegacfish]

USA! USA! USA!

Kind of bummed Kikkan didn't have her best day on her leg of the relay today. Still, 4th place is amazing. Liz and Jessie had great legs. Looking forward to Sochi!