*Official D3 Cross Country 2010 Thread*

[HINKLO]

Who do you think are going to be the dominant teams...who's on the bubble?

Personally I think St. Lawrence is going to make a huge jump this year as long as Ramsey can pull out another cross season like he did this past year.

[leavitia]

I think the Geneseo men's team should be pretty strong this year
Granted, they are always pretty solid, but I like the way they've been progressing as of late

[cardsXC]

Of the 5 qualifiers out of the Mid-east, only 9/35 graduated

Of the 2 qualifiers out of the Southeast, it looks like Emory loses 6 and Lynchburg loses Flynn, making that region up for grabs.

[OnePoint]

Originally posted by HINKLO@Jun 17 2010, 09:33 AM
Who do you think are going to be the dominant teams...who's on the bubble?

Personally I think St. Lawrence is going to make a huge jump this year as long as Ramsey can pull out another cross season like he did this past year.
I think this depends mostly on whether Mwenda and/or Kiplagat are still alive/attending school/running/in existence. They were pretty much non-entities this year, but those guys are FAST. Add them into the mix, St. Lawrence becomes a big threat, I think.

[Niden]

How is Rochester looking this year? Lane coming back? I know Lang had an incredible outdoor season, should shape up well this fall as long as there are no more quad strains :rolleyes: Genny is definitely the team to look out for at Nat's. They only graduated Chi and Henchen, but always have a slew of guys to replace. As far as out of Atlantic teams go, I would place my money on Haverford, and Washington U. Both did really well last year, and not taking any huge hits to graduating seniors. That's key, to have that depth, and not lose a lot, since this is a major down year to DIII cross.

[OnePoint]

Originally posted by Niden@Jun 25 2010, 08:28 AM
How is Rochester looking this year?
U of Rochester is a really under the radar team, or so I've noticed in my first two years running in the Atlantic Region. That said, they seem to really come to the fore more in track than in XC, not sure why. With the types of track times they had guys running, they should've been much much better in xc. For the most part they were a little irrelevant...but yeah, lots of talent for a regional level team.

They had:

Lang 9:05s, 14:56
Lane 9:26s
Vavra 32:01
Stelzig 15:20
Pinto 15:33/32:20
Baumgartner 15:33/32:22
Roncaioli 9:46s

also 1500 guys:
Ramirez 4:00
Hartnett 4:05
Fleisher 4:07

The ONLY senior in that whole group was Stelzig, apparently.

Not a national champ contending team by any means...but a lot of depth and should be able to make noise in the AR/be good enough to be top 5 in the region. We'll see if the can transfer that to the xc course, I guess.

[fasterrunner12]

I go to Geneseo, so I won't rep my own team too much, but I think we're capable of pretty big things this year.

On the national level, NCC is returning 3 or 4 AA's, so they have to been the favorite.

As far as the AR goes, us and NYU should be very close. SLU can be in that mix, but like other posters said, who knows if their Kenyans even exist any more. If they have both of them running injury-free, they can podium at Nats for sure. After that, you gotta look at U of R, perhaps Fredonia, maybe TCNJ, maybe RIT, maybe Oneonta...

Also, Niden, I'm not sure why you think this will be a major down year in D3. NCC can be just as good as last year, and a lot of good teams from nationals last year return most or almost of their top 7. I think this year will be better than last year for sure, if anything, last year was the weaker year, top to bottom.

[Niden]

I go to Geneseo, so I won't rep my own team too much, but I think we're capable of pretty big things this year.

On the national level, NCC is returning 3 or 4 AA's, so they have to been the favorite.

As far as the AR goes, us and NYU should be very close. SLU can be in that mix, but like other posters said, who knows if their Kenyans even exist any more. If they have both of them running injury-free, they can podium at Nats for sure. After that, you gotta look at U of R, perhaps Fredonia, maybe TCNJ, maybe RIT, maybe Oneonta...

Also, Niden, I'm not sure why you think this will be a major down year in D3. NCC can be just as good as last year, and a lot of good teams from nationals last year return most or almost of their top 7. I think this year will be better than last year for sure, if anything, last year was the weaker year, top to bottom.

It's because when you look at the top 10 teams from nat's last year, a lot of them were filled to the brim with seniors. When you look at the top 30, you'll definitely see the trend. Plus, we're graduating a lot of individual scorers in the 10k, 5k, and steeple, and some in the 1500. These guys being well-known dIII runners for the past 2 or 3 years. Flynn, Brady, Jesse Faller, Camm, Karwoski, and Kosgei are gone.. HUGE hit to DIII if you ask me. As for atlantic region in cross season 2011, all the soon-to-be seniors will have graduated, and that will be the ultimate down year.

In regards to Onepoint, lang was 9:00.xx at nat's for steeple, the 9:05's from ECAC's

fake edit: Bofa and Hanson from the 8 (two sub 1:50 runners?) graduated too.

Seriously, the major, out there guys have graduated within dIII, and almost all of that depth that accompanied will be graduating next year. You'll notice that because only a handful of soph's and frosh runners made nat's for anything 800 and up

[Zizzyfizzle]

I'm pretty sure Kosgei is coming back, I've heard from like 3 or 4 people that he is

[Niden]

What sources tell you so (most likely I know them since you're from cortland,) and would you happen to know why he didn't do indoor/outdoor?

[fasterrunner12]

If you look at the top 10 teams from Nationals last year, only a couple are really hurt from graduation:

NCC returns 3/7, with all 3 being All-Americans
Williams returns 3/7
Allegheny returns 5/7
NYU returns 4/7, plus they had 2 freshman have break out track seasons and go sub-15:00, they will be very good this year
Cortland returns 1/7, maybe 2/7 if Newell comes back
Geneseo returns 4/7
Washington returns 7/7
Haverford returns 6/7
Platteville returns 4/7
LaCrosse returns 2/7, but supposedly has an incredibly deep freshman class coming in with 5-6 guys in the 9:30's or better for 3200

So you look at that, the only teams that were hurt badly by graduation were Williams, Cortland and LaCrosse. Most of the other teams will be better than they were this year, except maybe NCC, who should be pretty close to where they were last year. And LaCrosse has an awesome class coming in. So team-wise, this year should be better than last year.

Individually, 19 of the 35 All-Americans are returning this year. That's not bad.

[Equinox2100]

when do the rankings roll out?

[clifbar]

I'm pretty sure Kosgei is coming back, I've heard from like 3 or 4 people that he is
I was pretty sure I'd heard he quit for good, but on the Hamilton website he's listed as class of 2011 and on their 2009 roster he's listed as a junior (he had originally been class of 2010), so I guess it's at least possible since he'll still be there for another year and he has a year's worth of eligibility.

[CharlieBrown]

anybody have a general idea of what the waverly national course is like? i think it would be hard to top the last 2 years in terms of difficulty

[fasterrunner12]

The 2008 course was not hard, there were about 40ish guys sub-25:00 if I remember correctly.

[illinoisphotographer]

anybody have a general idea of what the waverly national course is like? i think it would be hard to top the last 2 years in terms of difficulty

Course map
http://www.go-knights.org/crosscountry/CCmapdesc.pdf

Its not that hilly, just a lot of turns. Footing isn't the greatest either.

[Doc Awesome]

anybody have a general idea of what the waverly national course is like? i think it would be hard to top the last 2 years in terms of difficulty

Its not that bad course wise

but the sun never shines in waverly

and it is always hellishly cold and windy there.

[BRF_CC11]

LaCrosse has an amazing incoming class, they really did a great job of picking up a lot of great Wisco guys.

[illinoisphotographer]

Its not that bad course wise

but the sun never shines in waverly

and it is always hellishly cold and windy there.

2007 XC at the wartburg invite I believe it was 95 deg+. I know a bunch of our guys had said it was the hardest race they ever ran. If they didn't drop out

[MadwestCC]

LaCrosse has an amazing incoming class, they really did a great job of picking up a lot of great Wisco guys.


Many of the top distance athletes from Wisco are going to LaCrosse. Should be a great team. But I don't know too much about collegiate running. All I know is most of the guys going to LaCrosse next year from Wisconsin are Studs.

[Doc Awesome]

2007 XC at the wartburg invite I believe it was 95 deg+. I know a bunch of our guys had said it was the hardest race they ever ran. If they didn't drop out

oh yeah, those auggie kids do have a hard time running in waverly. I actually saw joe murphy drop out twenty yards back after passing him in the third mile

[Wunderlustking]

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