Robby Andrews

[vaultpurple]

Anyone know what he has been up to this indoor. I do not think he has raced any (not that I can find). Is he hurt or just red shirting?

[Fitzxc27]

Paced Lagat's AR through 1200m. That's all I've seen/heard of him.

[jekyllman]

Paced poorly

Redshirting

[GeorgieTheK]

Had foot issues in the fall, was in a walking boot, didn't do much running at all during the fall.

Back training this winter, just about back to full strength. Redshirting indoors.

[kingcoe]

Had foot issues in the fall, was in a walking boot, didn't do much running at all during the fall.

Back training this winter, just about back to full strength. Redshirting indoors.

. . . and the indoor 800 title is up for grabs . . .

[XC--Dad]

Greer or Primm....?

[KevinM]

Certainly Loxom belongs in the conversation.

[CrossHare]

Zach Mellon

[CrossHare]

Or maybe Patrick Casey if he does more than just the mile.

[KKreme15]

Tom Mallon

[skurey]

Curtis Beach

[Show'EmTheRopes]

There are waaay too many good names at 800m to pick a clear favorite now.

My personal pick would be fellow TTer Cas Loxsom, WJFinalist and Runner-up.

However, names such as: Sharif Webb, Mellon, Greer, Primm, Foster, Moriarty could really make things interesting. I'd have to say my boy Chris Carrington (also a fellow TTer) has a legitimate chance to run into the NCAA Finals too, recently running 1:47.

This might be the best year for the 800m in the NCAA in a long time (at least as far back as I can remember following).

[xcrunna]

I don't know if anything can top last year's outdoor meet, which was incredible. Check out these preliminary results:
Preliminaries
1 Robby Andrews FR Virginia 1:45.54Q
2 Aaron Evans SO Georgia 1:46.55Q
3 Andrew Wheating SR Oregon 1:48.80Q
4 Cory Primm JR UCLA 1:45.70Q
5 Ryan Martin JR Santa Barbara 1:46.71Q
6 Chris Gowell SR Baylor 1:49.69Q
7 Fred Samoei JR Alabama 1:45.94q
8 Lance Roller SO Virginia 1:46.11q
9 Charles Jock SO Irvine 1:46.17
10 Elijah Greer FR Oregon 1:46.99
11 Richard Jones JR LSU 1:47.18
12 Brian Gagnon SR Connecticut 1:47.40
13 Michael Rutt JR Connecticut 1:47.56

Considering how many returners there are, it could be just as stacked in outdoors.

[KevinM]

Or maybe Patrick Casey if he does more than just the mile.

I can't think of anyone in recent history who has attempted this double indoors. With MSU not in the team hunt, it seems extremely unlikely (though I am the guy who 100% guaranteed Rupp wouldn't run the DMR after the 5000 2 years ago, so I've learned to never say never).

[kniteryder]

It'll be interesting to see if anyone takes it out...while I know CL does this in many races, I hope he doesn't become the sacrificial lamb.

[ghamalian]

Loxsom has to be the favorite if he runs the 800. He isn't the fastest 800 runner in the field, but championship races usually go to the runner who has the best kick because they tend to go out slow. This is because they don't have a rabbit. Loxsom has the best legspeed of potential 800m runners this year.

That being said, a runner like Moriarty, Greer, or Primm can take the race out hard and try to take the kick out of Loxsom. My guess is if the race goes out any slower than 53, expect Loxsom to win.

And KKreme, Mallon probably won't make the finals. The kid is talented, but he's not THAT good

[Show'EmTheRopes]

Loxsom has to be the favorite if he runs the 800. He isn't the fastest 800 runner in the field, but championship races usually go to the runner who has the best kick because they tend to go out slow. This is because they don't have a rabbit. Loxsom has the best legspeed of potential 800m runners this year.

That being said, a runner like Moriarty, Greer, or Primm can take the race out hard and try to take the kick out of Loxsom. My guess is if the race goes out any slower than 53, expect Loxsom to win.

And KKreme, Mallon probably won't make the finals. The kid is talented, but he's not THAT good

Only results I can find show Tom Mallon finishing second-to-last in 1:54.x. Idk what's up with him, but there goes a possible redshirt. He was on a 9:51 DMR earlier in the season.

[KKreme15]

I kinda just said a random name

[TeamOrange]

Adam Davis

Am i doin' it right?

[TrackCoach]

Had foot issues in the fall, was in a walking boot, didn't do much running at all during the fall.

Back training this winter, just about back to full strength. Redshirting indoors.


It is rare (very rare) that a high school phenom puts together 2 great NCAA seasons, usually they have an off freshman year and get it together the next year or vice versa. When I say rare, I mean it almost never happens. Col, Wis and Aks for many years if you survived your freshman year, you were almost surely injuried the next year. Both years aren't always bad, but I can only think of about 2 athletes who set the world on fire as a freshman and actually progressed the next year.

Think about:

Webb
Hall
Ritz
Hatz
Kostelac
Beach
Fernandez
Mallon
Derrick
Hurysz
Fleet
Acosta
FitzSimons
Primm
Jager
Rupp
Solinski
Centrowitz
Puskedra
Krinik
Manzano

[KevinM]

This is truly the random naming of names thread. Michael Morin.

[orthostice]

Michael Rapaport

[thirty-two]

You listed two runners who didn't even have sophomore years (Webb, Jager).

[AECC06]

In Jager's second year out of high school he ran 3:54, 7:41, and 13:22 and made the World Championships. This was after being a two time All American as a freshman at UW. He was MIA his third year out though.

[Show'EmTheRopes]

In Jager's second year out of high school he ran 3:54, 7:41, and 13:22 and made the World Championships. This was after being a two time All American as a freshman at UW. He was MIA his third year out though.

On top of the fact the Fernandez had an awesome freshman cross country season, then came back to run 3:55i to set the WJR, and 7:47 (on an oversized track) for 3k.

[AECC06]

On top of the fact the Fernandez had an awesome freshman cross country season, then came back to run 3:55i to set the WJR, and 7:47 (on an oversized track) for 3k.

The original poster's point was that many phenoms have either a great freshman year or sophomore year, but rarely both. Fernandez had a tremendous freshman year at OSU but then was injured pretty much all year as a sophomore. Jager had two great years after finishing high school.

[TrackCoach]

In Jager's second year out of high school he ran 3:54, 7:41, and 13:22 and made the World Championships. This was after being a two time All American as a freshman at UW. He was MIA his third year out though.


Perhaps Jager is not a good example, I was confusing his 2nd year with his 3rd; however, with out going athlete-by-athlete...in general almost no one puts together two 'great' years after H.S. Even Bob Kennedy and Adam Goucher who had incredible college careers did not have two great years back to back in the NCAA. Btw, a lot of these athletes did have a great and a good year, just not two great years back to back.

I am not a big fan of reshirting, but it almost seems like when you get a H.S. phenom whose talent perhaps exceeds their conditioning, their body just can't hold up for 2 straight years. Irnoically this was not the case with most of the pre90s era athletes like Gerry, Pre, Ryun, Liquori, AlSal and Chapa, etc.

[Show'EmTheRopes]

Perhaps Jager is not a good example, I was confusing his 2nd year with his 3rd; however, with out going athlete-by-athlete...in general almost no one puts together two 'great' years after H.S. Even Bob Kennedy and Adam Goucher who had incredible college careers did not have two great years back to back in the NCAA. Btw, a lot of these athletes did have a great and a good year, just not two great years back to back.

I am not a big fan of reshirting, but it almost seems like when you get a H.S. phenom whose talent perhaps exceeds their conditioning, their body just can't hold up for 2 straight years. Irnoically this was not the case with most of the pre90s era athletes like Gerry, Pre, Ryun, Liquori, AlSal and Chapa, etc.

I would say this happens on a much smaller level too.. I can tell you from personal experience, I'm in the same position, granted I'm not a famous college athlete that wins power conference championships..

I would agree with this, I was confused by your previous post I suppose.

[Evilution]

Hairman Fernandez

[XC--Dad]

I don't know if anything can top last year's outdoor meet, which was incredible. Check out these preliminary results:
Preliminaries
1 Robby Andrews FR Virginia 1:45.54Q
2 Aaron Evans SO Georgia 1:46.55Q
3 Andrew Wheating SR Oregon 1:48.80Q
4 Cory Primm JR UCLA 1:45.70Q
5 Ryan Martin JR Santa Barbara 1:46.71Q
6 Chris Gowell SR Baylor 1:49.69Q
7 Fred Samoei JR Alabama 1:45.94q
8 Lance Roller SO Virginia 1:46.11q
9 Charles Jock SO Irvine 1:46.17
10 Elijah Greer FR Oregon 1:46.99
11 Richard Jones JR LSU 1:47.18
12 Brian Gagnon SR Connecticut 1:47.40
13 Michael Rutt JR Connecticut 1:47.56

Considering how many returners there are, it could be just as stacked in outdoors.


Geez, 1:46:17 didn't get you into the final :eek:

[LiamNeeson]

Anthony Kostelac is gonna win doooood