Fast Summer 5k's

[runninggartman]

Just wondering where all you guys are racing this summer in 5k's and the like. It'd be nice to have a bunch of us run a decent course and blaze some fast times rather than all run different ones and each win by a ton, but thats just my 2 cents.

I'm thinking the Remembering Jesse Parker 5k organized by Derek Storkel should be pretty legit in tomah on july 3rd. I guess a bunch of Lacrosse and Minnesota guys are gonna show up.

[MadwestCC]

There's the Full Moon 5k hosted by Movin' Shoes in Madison. Brett Kelly, Josh Williams, and more West alumni (The State winning crew included) will definitely run in that along with Sam Hacker, his little brother; Wilson, and me(Jonah Barry). I think there might be some other decent runners but I'm not sure.

[SCCXC11]

Freedom 5 Road Race in Siren, Wisconsin. Usually gets the fast guys that used to run division 3 from up north (Sean Kutz, Grantsburg, Peter Walsh, Webster, River Karl, Frederic) and it's a fast course (Kutz won with a 15:50 last summer)

[realtalk14]

Or you could train during the summer and not worry about running fast in July or August? There's an idea..

[SCCXC11]

Or you could train during the summer and not worry about running fast in July or August? There's an idea..

It's not about running fast. It's about racing.

[Jalszors]

Originally posted by MadwestCC@Jun 21 2010, 12:25 AM
There's the Full Moon 5k hosted by Movin' Shoes in Madison. Brett Kelly, Josh Williams, and more West alumni (The State winning crew included) will definitely run in that along with Sam Hacker, his little brother; Wilson, and me(Jonah Barry). I think there might be some other decent runners but I'm not sure.
Agreed, this is usually a pretty good race.

[runninggartman]

I'd totally love to do the full moon one, I looked forward to it last year and this year, but I'll be at cross camp at uw madison so I probably can't go. And it really isn't about running fast, it's the fun of racing some decent guys and getting to talk afterwards.

[freddy 459]

Originally posted by SCCXC11@Jun 21 2010, 04:21 PM

It's not about running fast. It's about racing.
QFE. Doing a few races over the summer (2-3) is a good idea as it allows you to stay familiar with the feel of racing. As long as you're keeping your focus on the season and not training for these races (because like SCC said, they're not about running fast), running one a month (or less) throughout the summer isn't going to kill you. Plus, they're always a great way to meet and hang out with other runners from your area.

[Jalszors]

Originally posted by runninggartman@Jun 21 2010, 06:57 PM
I'd totally love to do the full moon one, I looked forward to it last year and this year, but I'll be at cross camp at uw madison so I probably can't go. And it really isn't about running fast, it's the fun of racing some decent guys and getting to talk afterwards.
Camp of champs? Which session? I'm working at the first one for my athletic training major.

[realtalk14]

Originally posted by SCCXC11@Jun 21 2010, 04:21 PM

It's not about running fast. It's about racing.
oooh thats right you would know...sorry for questioning you brett johnson

[zeeeblob]

Storm the Bastille In Milwaukee on July 8, 2010 at 9pm. Great race through downtown. I question if it is a legit 5K? No matter as they do not give out awards and you are responsible for your own times.

Top three male and female finishers in 2009:
1st place male - Scott Mueller finishing at 14:49
1st place female - Nicole Braunsdorf finishing at 17:06
2nd place male - Joseph Stilin finishing at 14:50
2nd place female - Amy Herst finishing at 18:12
3rd place male - Nate Weiland finishing at 15:15
3rd place female - Molly Arpenberg finishing at 18:33

[runninggartman]

Yeah it's camp of champs, but the second session. That camp is awesome for training and a hell of a lot of fun.

[SCCXC11]

oooh thats right you would know...sorry for questioning you brett johnson

Well don't most people run races in the summer? Nobody goes out there trying to put down a PR. It's about just racing and taking a break from just training every once in awhile. Don't take it so personal.

[realtalk14]

Originally posted by SCCXC11@Jun 22 2010, 04:05 PM

Well don't most people run races in the summer? Nobody goes out there trying to put down a PR. It's about just racing and taking a break from just training every once in awhile. Don't take it so personal.
then why would the thread be called "fast summer 5ks"? I'd be willing to bet you'd be out there in your sick shades trying to blow your load in july

[J-Deeds]

****house 5k in La Crosse on July 31...gonna be a good time! http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/eve...70447161&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/event.php?eid=129076570447161&ref=ts)

[SCCXC11]

then why would the thread be called "fast summer 5ks"? I'd be willing to bet you'd be out there in your sick shades trying to blow your load in july

Haha silly me. I hafta git goin' ta banjo practice though n' then catch us some dinner outta the sticks. Nice a'talkin' to ya friend. :)

Glad you like my shades too by the way. They're really nice.

[runninggartman]

Haha ****house 5k, wonder how that got it's name?

[zeeeblob]

Sh*thouse 5K

I miss this college run but not the smell! let the blue flame burn.
I need to get back home and try this race sometime.

[realtalk14]

Originally posted by SCCXC11@Jun 23 2010, 10:55 AM

Haha silly me. I hafta git goin' ta banjo practice though n' then catch us some dinner outta the sticks. Nice a'talkin' to ya friend. :)

Glad you like my shades too by the way. They're really nice.
yeah i remember when you use to have to be good to wear sun glasses..whatever happened to that unwritten rule?

[runninggartman]

Come on realtalk, that was a bit much..

I don't know what you got against brett but this isn't the place for that, all we're looking to do is have some fun with running this summer, a few races won't hurt us for the season and it really makes training more fun. I know I've also met really cool people at these summer races that I still talk to all the time so I don't see anything wrong with wanting to have a fun race with some good people, if we run fast times then great, I just personally find a good competitive race an awesome way to spend an otherwise boring saturday morning

[realtalk14]

Originally posted by runninggartman@Jun 25 2010, 05:09 PM
Come on realtalk, that was a bit much..

I don't know what you got against brett but this isn't the place for that, all we're looking to do is have some fun with running this summer, a few races won't hurt us for the season and it really makes training more fun. I know I've also met really cool people at these summer races that I still talk to all the time so I don't see anything wrong with wanting to have a fun race with some good people, if we run fast times then great, I just personally find a good competitive race an awesome way to spend an otherwise boring saturday morning
Everyone thinks it, i just said it...sort of like Eminem in that regard :P

[runninggartman]

haha totally was not expecting the eminem refrence

There are a lot worse people in sun glasses though, there was a guy running in really nice shades at a cross meet, but every time I went by him he was stopped and puking. Finished in over an hour. haha just saying, theres worse people out there

[SCCXC11]

yeah i remember when you use to have to be good to wear sun glasses..whatever happened to that unwritten rule?

This is the last reply I have to you. I don't wear my sunglasses to "look cool" or make a "fashion statement." I wear them because I have a history of eye cancer in my family. It killed my cousin. She left 3 young daughters behind. It was very hard on my family. I wear my sunglasses everywhere when it's sunny and bright. Whether I'm running or not. So if you're going to make fun of that then you go right ahead. Jerk.

[cinnastix]

well this discussion really died.....

[CCman]

Back to fast races. Last week was the Superrun 5k in Milwaukee. I dont know much about the course as to whether it is fast or slow, long or short. Keep your eye on this young female runner. Her name is Elizabeth Flatley and she won the womens portion of the race in 18:35ish. She also won the grade school mile at the Wisco Mile in 5:19. I have seen her race and train and she is very impressive. She could do some very exciting things for Brookfield Central this fall and for the next 4 years.

[champ]

Does anyone know of any good races in madison or milwakee area in the next two weeks? I'm looking to test my fitness.

[realtalk14]

well this discussion really died.....

how come cinnastix is a member and i'm a junior member? wtf zen

[Zen Miler]

how come cinnastix is a member and i'm a junior member? wtf zen

wtf realtalk?

[cinnastix]

how come cinnastix is a member and i'm a junior member? wtf zen

because nobody wants u around

[realtalk14]

because nobody wants u around

wow..jerk

[SCCXC11]

Jack Taylor went 15:52 this morning in Siren.

[realtalk14]

Jack Taylor went 15:52 this morning in Siren.

Jack Taylor FTFW! What a fricken beast.

[SCCXC11]

You bet man! :)

[Runningman76]

Brice in 15:22!

http://www.foxtriclub.com/fox5k/5koall2010.txt

[cinnastix]

Jack Taylor went 15:52 this morning in Siren.

All down hill?

[SCCXC11]

All down hill?


No it wasn't downhill but it was pretty flat. Sean Kutz ran a 15:35 I believe.

[cinnastix]

No it wasn't downhill but it was pretty flat. Sean Kutz ran a 15:35 I believe.

Soooo.... it was all downhill?

[realtalk14]

Soooo.... it was all downhill?

hahahahaa

[Zen Miler]

Soooo.... it was all downhill?

Funniest post I have seen thus far on the tracktalk.net boards.

Edit: No offense to Jack Taylor. He has my respect.

[Space Monkey]

Firecracker Four Results

Top 50

http://onlineraceresults.com/race/view_race.php?race_id=14984&relist_record_type=result&lower_bound=0&upper_bound=50&new_group_size=50&use_previous_sql=1&group_by=default#racetop

[CCman]

Firecraker Four- July 4th, 4 miler
this race usually brings in some big names

Jerry Husz - 2nd place - nearing the age of 50. This guy continues to amaze me. Running at a high level among the young pups. Joe Stilin won with David Stilin 3rd. I'm not sure about times because I heard the finish clock was off.

[THE BIG GUY]

Jerry Husz - 2nd place - nearing the age of 50. This guy continues to amaze me. Running at a high level among the young pups. Joe Stilin won with David Stilin 3rd. I'm not sure about times because I heard the finish clock was off.

now that is a guy who should be running road races weekly. not runningartman

[CCman]

Last night was the Bastille Days 5k in Milwaukee. Joe Stilin and Willy Kaul tied for the victory right around 14:45. Scott Mueller was close behind. A large contingent of Milw. King runners competed and ran well. For those that have never done this race, it is a lot of fun. Downtown Milwaukee, 9:00pm start, very fast course, festive atmosphere, 5000+ runners.

[runninggartman]

Last night was the Bastille Days 5k in Milwaukee. Joe Stilin and Willy Kaul tied for the victory right around 14:45.

That sounds like a great race to watch. I still think it's odd that they don't actually take times, but it sounds like a great one nonetheless.

[CCman]

now that is a guy who should be running road races weekly. not runningartman

Actually, Husz is very careful about how many races he does each year based upon his age and also his competitive nature. he hates to lose to anybody regardless of age but he also knows that his body is not as young as it once use to be. also, he does most of his runs on trails which has protected his legs and he runs most of the time with his dog. this lab is amazing - can run up to 20 miles with husz.

[mukharrier]

If anyone is still looking for a fast summer race, the Hoka Hey 5k this saturday at Waukesha West will be rather quick. Some confirmed bigger names entered include: Scott Mueller, Jack Hackett, Evan Ross, John Simons, Erik Sowinski, Tim Hucke, Billy Schlottke, Tyler Zeman, Joe Martsch-inke, Russ Sanvold. Other possibles include Mike Clark, Terry Witkowski, Chris Knutson and many more in the mid 16's all the way up thru walkers. Awards for each age group winner are a autographed signed photograph of Alan Webb courtesy of his fiance' Julia Rudd. If anyone is interested contact me on here or via facebook : Joshua Johnson or search event : 'Hoka Hey 2010 5k' on facebook. This is our (Waukesha West) CC fundraiser for the season.

[Zen Miler]

I mentioned Grey Davis' time from Saturday in another thread but here are the results: http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/jdRi6

[BruceDenton]

Hoka Hey 5K results?

[mukharrier]

Hoka Hey 5K results?

Scott Mueller won in 1525 overall. Brian Butzler 2nd, Dan Held 3rd.
Cassie (Peller) Nelson won the womens in 1812.

I don't have the results on hand at the moment. I'll update later.

[kail3y]

Derner from Waterford got second right behind Maiao at the Full Moon Four Miler in 20:46 this past weekend.

http://wisconsinrunner.com/results/2010fullmoon/2010_FULL_MOON_RUN_OVERALL.HTM

[Wackattack]

From last Saturday in Watertown Riverfest 5K:

1. Ben Knapp 16:00
2. Kyle Donovan 16:32
3. Curt Kaczor 16:59 (Former Watertown alum and current Arrowhead girls coach)
4. Sam Roets 17:31
5. Teresa Stanley 18:35


It is great to see this site up and running. Thank you to all involved in making it happen. I cannot remember how to get the number of posts per page adjusted to a higher number. Can anyone help?

[Zen Miler]

User CP > Edit Options > Show 40 posts per page

[Wackattack]

User CP > Edit Options > Show 40 posts per page



Thanks Zen. I figured somebody could jog my memory on that.

I apologize for the double post. My stone of a computer at home is causing problems and I have tried unsuccessfully to delete it.

[CCman]

ZenMiler is the greatest of all-time.

[DialItUp]

Patrick went 15:52 in lodi this morning. Got raped by some guy running 15:10 though.

[realtalk14]

Patrick went 15:52 in lodi this morning. Got raped by some guy running 15:10 though.

It was great getting to see all his ski team buddies though, and on a unrelated note...he ran 15:52 in Lodi this morning.

[Zen Miler]

Patrick went 15:52 in lodi this morning. Got raped by some guy running 15:10 though.

results? course evaluation?

[WhiteBuffalo]

Where's The Walrus? I really feel as though we need her back. She was almost the life and soul of the Dyestat forum with her impeccable evaluations of different ideas, and her unmatched jokes that bring a smile to everyone's face. If she's reading this, I sincerely hope that she considers posting again so that maybe i can smile just one more time every day.

[wiscocc]

Patrick went 15:52 in lodi this morning. Got raped by some guy running 15:10 though.


Nothing impresive. He went 16:08 last year on that course.

[cinnastix]

Nothing impresive. He went 16:08 last year on that course.

is he going for a full season of racing before the xc season begins? never heard of the rule of thumb where u run 1, maybe 2 summer races?

[youngmoula]

Where's The Walrus? I really feel as though we need her back. She was almost the life and soul of the Dyestat forum with her impeccable evaluations of different ideas, and her unmatched jokes that bring a smile to everyone's face. If she's reading this, I sincerely hope that she considers posting again so that maybe i can smile just one more time every day.

sounds like someone hasn't been laid in a while...

[runninggartman]

Just setting things stright i ran 16:20 here last year. It's only got one good size hill about .5 in otherwise it's pretty flat. Results may be posted or they may not, this race tends to be not too good at that. I know the first place guy used to run for Eau Claire and now helps coach at illinois state. He went 15:10 ish while 2nd went 15:30 ish by a guy that used to run for University of Virginia.

[youngmoula]

Just setting things stright i ran 16:20 here last year. It's only got one good size hill about .5 in otherwise it's pretty flat. Results may be posted or they may not, this race tends to be not too good at that. I know the first place guy used to run for Eau Claire and now helps coach at illinois state. He went 15:10 ish while 2nd went 15:30 ish by a guy that used to run for University of Virginia.

What he really means:

1. I'm improving a lot guys, not just marginally so that's why D1 coaches should probably recruit me, if my 5k ability continues to drop 30 seconds per year I should be able to break the American record by 2016 just in time for the Olympics!

2. The course is actually flat so I mean I don't want to sound too cocky or anything.

3. Since he ran for Eau-Claire and coaches D1 I am probably 40 seconds away from being a stud d3 runner.

4. The fourth statement is a reiteration of his third point, which is by proximity to D1 talent Garrett Patrick is D1 talent.

Somebody get Mick on the phone and let him know that we have a once in a decade type talent on our hands.

[broseidon]

What he really means:

1. I'm improving a lot guys, not just marginally so that's why D1 coaches should probably recruit me, if my 5k ability continues to drop 30 seconds per year I should be able to break the American record by 2016 just in time for the Olympics!

2. The course is actually flat so I mean I don't want to sound too cocky or anything.

3. Since he ran for Eau-Claire and coaches D1 I am probably 40 seconds away from being a stud d3 runner.

4. The fourth statement is a reiteration of his third point, which is by proximity to D1 talent Garrett Patrick is D1 talent.

Somebody get Mick on the phone and let him know that we have a once in a decade type talent on our hands.

it's a good thing he's not cocky though

[runninggartman]

What he really means:

1. I'm improving a lot guys, not just marginally so that's why D1 coaches should probably recruit me, if my 5k ability continues to drop 30 seconds per year I should be able to break the American record by 2016 just in time for the Olympics!

2. The course is actually flat so I mean I don't want to sound too cocky or anything.

3. Since he ran for Eau-Claire and coaches D1 I am probably 40 seconds away from being a stud d3 runner.

4. The fourth statement is a reiteration of his third point, which is by proximity to D1 talent Garrett Patrick is D1 talent.

Somebody get Mick on the phone and let him know that we have a once in a decade type talent on our hands.


What youngmoula really means: http://rlv.zcache.com/kiss_me_im_a_douchebag_tshirt-p2358843108703201263afy_400.jpg

And THAT is the most Realtalk on tracktalk

[broseidon]

What youngmoula really means: http://rlv.zcache.com/kiss_me_im_a_douchebag_tshirt-p2358843108703201263afy_400.jpg

And THAT is the most Realtalk on tracktalk

funny.......

[cinnastix]

Just setting things stright i ran 16:20 here last year. It's only got one good size hill about .5 in otherwise it's pretty flat. Results may be posted or they may not, this race tends to be not too good at that. I know the first place guy used to run for Eau Claire and now helps coach at illinois state. He went 15:10 ish while 2nd went 15:30 ish by a guy that used to run for University of Virginia.

either way u have done about 7 races this summer that is about 5 more than you should have done, there is no need to have a whole racing season in between track and xc. you prolly should have kept in mind that u have to keep running this well all the way until oct/nov (dont no when state is this year) which will be tough considering ur putting urself in almost peaked condition in august

[lena m]

What he really means:

1. I'm improving a lot guys, not just marginally so that's why D1 coaches should probably recruit me, if my 5k ability continues to drop 30 seconds per year I should be able to break the American record by 2016 just in time for the Olympics!

2. The course is actually flat so I mean I don't want to sound too cocky or anything.

3. Since he ran for Eau-Claire and coaches D1 I am probably 40 seconds away from being a stud d3 runner.

4. The fourth statement is a reiteration of his third point, which is by proximity to D1 talent Garrett Patrick is D1 talent.

Somebody get Mick on the phone and let him know that we have a once in a decade type talent on our hands.

R u trying to start a fight or something? Wats the point of saying something like this?

Everybody Love Everbody!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0spFY1I2NQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0spFY1I2NQ)

[wiscocc]

What youngmoula really means: http://rlv.zcache.com/kiss_me_im_a_douchebag_tshirt-p2358843108703201263afy_400.jpg

And THAT is the most Realtalk on tracktalk


Ha ha.....Nice come back

[kmatus]

either way u have done about 7 races this summer that is about 5 more than you should have done, there is no need to have a whole racing season in between track and xc. you prolly should have kept in mind that u have to keep running this well all the way until oct/nov (dont no when state is this year) which will be tough considering ur putting urself in almost peaked condition in august

Maybe he's just having fun and likes the t-shirts? I realize the world of running has changed a lot in 30 years - but we used to run a lot of road races int he summer for the fun of it.

You might turn out to be correct about him peaking in August, but how would you know? Just wondering....

[cinnastix]

Maybe he's just having fun and likes the t-shirts? I realize the world of running has changed a lot in 30 years - but we used to run a lot of road races int he summer for the fun of it.

You might turn out to be correct about him peaking in August, but how would you know? Just wondering....

last couple people to run really well in the summer/camp of champs didnt make it all the way to state running as well. like wardall/perkins/stilin all crushed it there and didnt finish it the season off as well as they started

[SlowHeatHero]

Garret took it easy at Camp of Champs, and who says he's going all out in these races? It's possible to run a race without racing a race.

Either way you guys really need to find a better hobby than trolling tracktalk.

[BRF_CC11]

Garret took it easy at Camp of Champs, and who says he's going all out in these races? It's possible to run a race without racing a race.

Either way you guys really need to find a better hobby than trolling tracktalk.
Exactly what i was thinking, you trolls aren't his coaches so there's no reason to criticize everything he does.

[broseidon]

Garret took it easy at Camp of Champs, and who says he's going all out in these races? It's possible to run a race without racing a race.

Either way you guys really need to find a better hobby than trolling tracktalk.

If running a 15:50 on ANY course is considered not racing a race, he may be the next solinsky :rolleyes:

[DialItUp]

Garret took it easy at Camp of Champs, and who says he's going all out in these races? It's possible to run a race without racing a race.

Either way you guys really need to find a better hobby than trolling tracktalk.

I hear making whittling those little shapes out of wood is fun. Or yelling insults at random people on the street. Thats fun too.

Just a few ideas. ; )

[Bring It CC]

last couple people to run really well in the summer/camp of champs didnt make it all the way to state running as well. like wardall/perkins/stilin all crushed it there and didnt finish it the season off as well as they started

Alright, this is a stupid comparison. Wardall crashed just like the rest of his team did, which I predicted, because of their in-season training, Perkins was an idiot, and I believe I read Stilin's coach say that he over trained during the season. None of them ran bad at State, (or below expectations, I should say), because they ran at COC. You're an idiot who has no clue about anything. If you are a high school runner, I hope you don't believe in kharma because it is going to bite you and all of these other bashers in the butt this season. I found out about this website a couple of weeks ago, and this is the crap I have to read about? You're all jokes. Let's get to some serious running conversation and focus on more than a D2 runner.


Oh, by the way. I'm back.

[runningfan65]

Alright, this is a stupid comparison. Wardall crashed just like the rest of his team did, which I predicted, because of their in-season training, Perkins was an idiot, and I believe I read Stilin's coach say that he over trained during the season. None of them ran bad at State, (or below expectations, I should say), because they ran at COC. You're an idiot who has no clue about anything. If you are a high school runner, I hope you don't believe in kharma because it is going to bite you and all of these other bashers in the butt this season. I found out about this website a couple of weeks ago, and this is the crap I have to read about? You're all jokes. Let's get to some serious running conversation and focus on more than a D2 runner.


Oh, by the way. I'm back.

This makes me happy. :)

[Zen Miler]

Alright, this is a stupid comparison. Wardall crashed just like the rest of his team did, which I predicted, because of their in-season training, Perkins was an idiot, and I believe I read Stilin's coach say that he over trained during the season. None of them ran bad at State, (or below expectations, I should say), because they ran at COC. You're an idiot who has no clue about anything. If you are a high school runner, I hope you don't believe in kharma because it is going to bite you and all of these other bashers in the butt this season. I found out about this website a couple of weeks ago, and this is the crap I have to read about? You're all jokes. Let's get to some serious running conversation and focus on more than a D2 runner.


Oh, by the way. I'm back.

strong first post :)

[cinnastix]

Alright, this is a stupid comparison. Wardall crashed just like the rest of his team did, which I predicted, because of their in-season training, Perkins was an idiot, and I believe I read Stilin's coach say that he over trained during the season. None of them ran bad at State, (or below expectations, I should say), because they ran at COC. You're an idiot who has no clue about anything. If you are a high school runner, I hope you don't believe in kharma because it is going to bite you and all of these other bashers in the butt this season. I found out about this website a couple of weeks ago, and this is the crap I have to read about? You're all jokes. Let's get to some serious running conversation and focus on more than a D2 runner.


Oh, by the way. I'm back.

fair enough

[Bekeleftw]

last couple people to run really well in the summer/camp of champs didnt make it all the way to state running as well. like wardall/perkins/stilin all crushed it there and didnt finish it the season off as well as they started
Wardall was sick and injured for the second half of the season. At full strength he would've run much faster.

As a point of reference, I coached Joe Stilin back in 2007. Joe was, is, and always will be an amazingly determined individual. We tried, after discussion, to bump his mileage heading into cross country; slowly, with no more than a 10% increase every 2-3 weeks. Joe, however, hammered almost every run and still ranks among the top 10 times ever recorded at the COC. His 10-12 mile runs later in the summer were averaging 5:45-5:50. His body recovers SO fast, so we didn't think it was detrimental....but it probably was. Joe's base miles were probably being treated like interval miles by his body, so that when footlocker rolled around he was done. He finished 5th at State......with terrible sickness and fever; he may have gotten 2-3 hours of sleep at most the night before. Pretty amazing testament to his grit. He would agree, though, that less is probably more. He is still working on that balance now, at Princeton.
Like Bring it CC (and many others) said, you can't blame a poor performance at state on one week of training.

[wiscocc]

I just find it funny that everyone is arguing over Brett/Garrett. Do a little research on the last 11 state meets. Both of them are the worst returning seniors to step on the ridges the following year. For some reason they are talking themselves thinking they are like a Luterbach who ran a 16:04 on the ridges his junior year. No. Not at all. Brett ran a 16:40 and Garrett a 16:50. Improvement from junior-senior year is a step, but anyone saying they will go under 16:00 is just foolish.

[Bekeleftw]

I just find it funny that everyone is arguing over Brett/Garrett. Do a little research on the last 11 state meets. Both of them are the worst returning seniors to step on the ridges the following year. For some reason they are talking themselves thinking they are like a Luterbach who ran a 16:04 on the ridges his junior year. No. Not at all. Brett ran a 16:40 and Garrett a 16:50. Improvement from junior-senior year is a step, but anyone saying they will go under 16:00 is just foolish.
Quote the people who (seriously) said Garret and Brett were gonna break 16.

[DialItUp]

Alright, this is a stupid comparison. Wardall crashed just like the rest of his team did, which I predicted, because of their in-season training, Perkins was an idiot, and I believe I read Stilin's coach say that he over trained during the season. None of them ran bad at State, (or below expectations, I should say), because they ran at COC. You're an idiot who has no clue about anything. If you are a high school runner, I hope you don't believe in kharma because it is going to bite you and all of these other bashers in the butt this season. I found out about this website a couple of weeks ago, and this is the crap I have to read about? You're all jokes. Let's get to some serious running conversation and focus on more than a D2 runner.


Oh, by the way. I'm back.

I like you already. Lets just take the convo off of brett/garrett. Let them run however they want right now weather it hurts or helps them thats their choice. They wanna talk themselves up ( tho i don't think they are) let them see if they can back it up come november. One thing i don't like tho is ripping on facebook sh!t, thats a whole nouther ball game. I think COC really shouldn't effect your training as it is 4 months from the season unless you run it wayyy too hard and get injured for it. Road races are the same to an extent. I wish Brett and Garrett the best of luck the same as everyone else running this year. Lets talk about somthing besides these 2 d2 runners.

[wiscocc]

Quote the people who (seriously) said Garret and Brett were gonna break 16.

It isn't about who (seriously) said it, but more about mostly Garrett talking himself up in one way or another. (I am not totally against it, but not totally for it, but when you aren't even the states best then its kind of like a freshman who thinks they are going to make a varsity football/basketball team and be the star player. Sure they might be good, but once you put them in a real situation then they get a wake-up call.) When someone talks themselves up what happens is some people may not know it, but they agree with the boastful person. That sometimes gets on people, because after all we are from the Midwest. We are the type of people who don't brag about our accomplishments. I go by this rule - Try very hard to not even imply that you are talking about yourself. Even the slightest of comments can turn someone the wrong way and that is what happened with Garrett. My opinion is that the guys talking bad about him should stop and Garrett should go back to school and learn how to post some appropriate posts that won't even allow anyone in their mind to even think that he is talking himself up. I know its hard, since he is a cocky guy (there is nothing wrong with that if you have stuff to back it up.) I am just saying we don't do that here is Wisconsin!

[veronacc11]

It isn't about who (seriously) said it, but more about mostly Garrett talking himself up in one way or another. (I am not totally against it, but not totally for it, but when you aren't even the states best then its kind of like a freshman who thinks they are going to make a varsity football/basketball team and be the star player. Sure they might be good, but once you put them in a real situation then they get a wake-up call.) When someone talks themselves up what happens is some people may not know it, but they agree with the boastful person. That sometimes gets on people, because after all we are from the Midwest. We are the type of people who don't brag about our accomplishments. I go by this rule - Try very hard to not even imply that you are talking about yourself. Even the slightest of comments can turn someone the wrong way and that is what happened with Garrett. My opinion is that the guys talking bad about him should stop and Garrett should go back to school and learn how to post some appropriate posts that won't even allow anyone in their mind to even think that he is talking himself up. I know its hard, since he is a cocky guy (there is nothing wrong with that if you have stuff to back it up.) I am just saying we don't do that here is Wisconsin!


Well said. I was on the forum during last cross country season, and there was lots of great discussion (at the time I was veronacrosskj, but i forgot my password). I've been reading a lot of what's been posted the past month, and that's just not how the forum should work. Not only should the guys not be harassing Garrett, but Garrett shouldn't be allowed to boast about himself the way he has been. These forums were made to create good discussion, like the forum we had last year, so let's keep it that way.:)

[veronacc11]

I also don't think that the "Best runner in Wisconsin" or "Best troll on the forum" were beneficial posts either.

[lena m]

I also don't think that the "Best runner in Wisconsin" or "Best troll on the forum" were beneficial posts either.

+1 :)

[THE BIG GUY]

I just find it funny that everyone is arguing over Brett/Garrett. Do a little research on the last 11 state meets. Both of them are the worst returning seniors to step on the ridges the following year. For some reason they are talking themselves thinking they are like a Luterbach who ran a 16:04 on the ridges his junior year. No. Not at all. Brett ran a 16:40 and Garrett a 16:50. Improvement from junior-senior year is a step, but anyone saying they will go under 16:00 is just foolish.
agreed. the winner in D2 wont be any faster than 16:10. lets not forget that the Rigdes isnt your typical road 5k course

[SCCXC11]

agreed. the winner in D2 wont be any faster than 16:10. lets not forget that the Rigdes isnt your typical road 5k course


I agree with you on this. I think it will be 16:10 to 16:15. It's becoming pretty clear that the young guys are controlling the outcome of the podium. I think you're looking at Patrick, Peasley, McKenna, Wunnicke, McCoy, Evans/Kinscher etc. on the podium this year. If McCoy goes balls out in the first mile like last year I think he's going to either win it or shoot himself in the foot. It'll be interesting that's for sure. He reminds me of McCollow a little bit.

[realtalk14]

I agree with you on this. I think it will be 16:10 to 16:15. It's becoming pretty clear that the young guys are controlling the outcome of the podium. I think you're looking at Patrick, Peasley, McKenna, Wunnicke, McCoy, Evans/Kinscher etc. on the podium this year. If McCoy goes balls out in the first mile like last year I think he's going to either win it or shoot himself in the foot. It'll be interesting that's for sure. He reminds me of McCollow a little bit.

not sure how you can put peasley, mckenna, wunnicke, mccoy, and evans on there without putting either pat campbell or michael christseson (sp?) on there...i am pretty sure that campbell beat all of those kids in track..

[broseidon]

not sure how you can put peasley, mckenna, wunnicke, mccoy, and evans on there without putting either pat campbell or michael christseson (sp?) on there...i am pretty sure that campbell beat all of those kids in track..

at least he remembered patrick

[SCCXC11]

not sure how you can put peasley, mckenna, wunnicke, mccoy, and evans on there without putting either pat campbell or michael christseson (sp?) on there...i am pretty sure that campbell beat all of those kids in track..


Yup you're right I forgot about those two. And Will Peasley is kind of underrated. He ran a 16:23 last year. I think he makes it up there this year.

[realtalk14]

at least he remembered patrick

actually my brotha, i'm not 100% sure on this but didn't campbell and christenson also beat garret patrick at sectionals?

[veronacc11]

actually my brotha, i'm not 100% sure on this but didn't campbell and christenson also beat garret patrick at sectionals?

yeah, both campbell and christenson beat him in the mile at sectionals.

[bert]

Alright, this is a stupid comparison. Wardall crashed just like the rest of his team did, which I predicted, because of their in-season training, Perkins was an idiot, and I believe I read Stilin's coach say that he over trained during the season. None of them ran bad at State, (or below expectations, I should say), because they ran at COC. You're an idiot who has no clue about anything. If you are a high school runner, I hope you don't believe in kharma because it is going to bite you and all of these other bashers in the butt this season. I found out about this website a couple of weeks ago, and this is the crap I have to read about? You're all jokes. Let's get to some serious running conversation and focus on more than a D2 runner.


Oh, by the way. I'm back.

We didn't crash because of our in season training. To say that when you have no idea what we were doing seems like a stupid thing to say. We crashed because of injuries and sickness that really had nothing to do with our training. Our coach has been coaching since 1967. I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing.

[Zen Miler]

Our coach has been coaching since 1967. I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing.

I am a big fan of Coach Perez. He is the man.

[wiscocc]

We didn't crash because of our in season training. To say that when you have no idea what we were doing seems like a stupid thing to say. We crashed because of injuries and sickness that really had nothing to do with our training. Our coach has been coaching since 1967. I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing.

I know what you mean. I love it when kids think that they are smarter than the coaches who have been around for 40-50 years.

[cinnastix]

yea i mean wardall ended his track season off pretty damn well, not too mention the 4x8 is one of very few sub 7:50 teams ever. Perez has something working

[bert]

I think if anyone is questioning his coaching from last cc season, look at what he did for our track season.

[Bekeleftw]

I think if anyone is questioning his coaching from last cc season, look at what he did for our track season.
Fair enough, but I cannot understand this move:
http://www.neenah.k12.wi.us/nhs/crosscountry/CC_Site/Green_Bay_Southwest_files/Varsity_Boys.webarchive
http://menomoneefallsccresults.pbworks.com/f/2009+hadler+varsity+boys.pdf
Schubert ran 2 races in 4 days. I honestly can't figure out the reasoning behind this.

[bert]

Fair enough, but I cannot understand this move:
http://www.neenah.k12.wi.us/nhs/crosscountry/CC_Site/Green_Bay_Southwest_files/Varsity_Boys.webarchive
http://menomoneefallsccresults.pbworks.com/f/2009+hadler+varsity+boys.pdf
Schubert ran 2 races in 4 days. I honestly can't figure out the reasoning behind this.

yeah it was simply training. if you look after that, our next race was a week later. imagine it as running intervals, the distance is 5k and your rest is a couple of days. Besides, that was early in September and had nothing to do with injuries and the swine flu that occurred later in October. To blame our "burnout" on a couple of races doesn't make much sense.

[Zen Miler]

http://www.neenah.k12.wi.us/nhs/crosscountry/CC_Site/Green_Bay_Southwest_files/Varsity_Boys.webarchive
http://menomoneefallsccresults.pbworks.com/f/2009+hadler+varsity+boys.pdf

Green Bay Southwest meet

Neenah Middle/High Rockets Hy-Tek's Meet Manager
Demo Meet - 9/9/2009
9/9/2009
Last Completed Event

Event 4 Boys 5k Run CC V Boys
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Name Year School Finals Points
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1 Wardall, Taylor 12 Appleton East 15:52 1
2 Schubert, Dan 11 Appleton East 15:53 2
3 Leschisin, Sam 12 Appleton East 16:16 3
4 Hofferber, Erik 12 Neenah 16:32 4
5 Leach, Matt 12 DePere 16:36 5
6 McDonald, DT 11 Oshkosh Lourdes 16:41 6
7 Gokey, Austin 9 DePere 16:42 7
8 McDonald, Robbie 11 Neenah 16:44 8
9 Burton, Brent 12 Appleton East 16:58 9
10 Poser, Greg 12 Plymouth 17:00 10
11 Heise, Michael 11 New London 17:04 11
12 Fischer, David 10 Appleton East 17:07 12
13 Michels, Justin 12 Neenah 17:08 13
14 Fine, Tom 12 Neenah 17:08 14
15 Kilas, Tim 11 Neenah 17:09 15
16 Kimble, Alex 12 Green Bay Southwest 17:12 16
17 Kastelic, Parker 10 Plymouth 17:21 17
18 McQuistian, Ian 12 Appleton East 17:22 18
19 Bourland, Michael 10 Neenah 17:25 19
20 Thorson, Peter 12 Appleton North 17:32 20
21 Schmidt, Lucas 11 Plymouth 17:33 21
22 Grimsrud, Dylan 11 Sheboygan South 17:45 22
23 Strauss, Michael 12 Neenah 17:48 23
24 Rudd, Eric 11 Oshkosh Lourdes 17:52 24
25 LaMere, Ian 10 Green Bay Southwest 17:56 25
26 Leroy, Craig 10 Green Bay Southwest 17:56 26
27 Schneider, Owen 12 Appleton East 17:57 27
28 Schmidt, Mike 11 Neenah 18:02
29 Rhude, Greg 12 Plymouth 18:04 28
30 Hill, Shawn 12 DePere 18:06 29
31 Greeneway, Jake 11 DePere 18:14 30
32 Duckett, Tony 12 Green Bay Southwest 18:15 31
33 Bellile, Scott 11 New London 18:23 32
34 Gloeckler, Grant 10 Green Bay Southwest 18:24 33
35 Champ, Trevor 9 DePere 18:33 34
36 Resch, Zach 12 Sheboygan South 18:35 35
37 Welk, Andy 11 DePere 18:39 36
38 Hoppen, Sam 11 Green Bay Southwest 18:40 37
39 Mueller, Robby 10 Sheboygan South 18:42 38
40 Ross, Alex 12 Appleton North 18:45 39
41 Gibson, Kyle 10 Green Bay Southwest 18:46 40
42 Fischer, Michael 12 DePere 18:46 41
43 Gumm, Devin 10 Plymouth 18:47 42
44 Gustafson, Brent 11 Green Bay Southwest 18:47
45 Ziolkowski, Tommy 11 Appleton North 18:51 43
46 Nygaard, Luke 12 Appleton East 18:55
47 Jensen, Chris 11 Oshkosh Lourdes 18:57 44
48 Kuplic, Drew 11 Appleton North 19:02 45
49 Herrling, Austin 10 Appleton North 19:03 46
50 Rortvedt, Collin 11 Plymouth 19:03 47
51 Kubasta, Kyle 12 Oshkosh Lourdes 19:07 48
52 Iotte, Jake 10 Appleton North 19:09 49
53 Fischer, David 10 DePere 19:14
54 Davis, Max 12 Appleton North 19:17 50
55 Knepfel, Cory 11 Oshkosh Lourdes 19:38 51
56 Schettle, Matt 11 Oshkosh Lourdes 19:38 52
57 Contreras, Mike 12 Sheboygan South 19:56 53
58 Tournour, Mitch 9 Plymouth 20:02 54
59 Wetzel, Ian 10 New London 20:21 55
60 Klingbeil, Taylor 11 Sheboygan South 20:23 56
61 Philippon, Andrew 10 New London 20:45 57
62 Knapp, Jordan 9 Appleton North 20:45
63 Powell, Collin 11 Sheboygan South 20:50 58
64 Schlais, Andrew 11 New London 21:18 59
65 Brody, Jack 11 Plymouth 21:27
66 Schuchardt, Kirk 10 Sheboygan South 25:01 60
67 Weir, Andrew 12 Sheboygan South 28:01
68 Nigl, Jon 10 Oshkosh Lourdes 29:02 61

Team Scores
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Rank Team Total 1 2 3 4 5 *6 *7 *8 *9
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1 Appleton East 27 1 2 3 9 12 18 27
Total Time: 1:22:06.00
Average: 16:25.20
2 Neenah 54 4 8 13 14 15 19 23
Total Time: 1:24:41.00
Average: 16:56.20
3 DePere 105 5 7 29 30 34 36 41
Total Time: 1:28:11.00
Average: 17:38.20
4 Plymouth 118 10 17 21 28 42 47 54
Total Time: 1:28:45.00
Average: 17:45.00
5 Green Bay Southwest 131 16 25 26 31 33 37 40
Total Time: 1:29:43.00
Average: 17:56.60
6 Oshkosh Lourdes 173 6 24 44 48 51 52 61
Total Time: 1:32:15.00
Average: 18:27.00
7 Appleton North 193 20 39 43 45 46 49 50
Total Time: 1:33:13.00
Average: 18:38.60
8 Sheboygan South 204 22 35 38 53 56 58 60
Total Time: 1:35:21.00
Average: 19:04.20
9 New London 214 11 32 55 57 59
Total Time: 1:37:51.00
Average: 19:34.20 Matt Hadler Memorial

http://fondycc.com/results/matthadler.html

[Bring It CC]

yeah it was simply training. if you look after that, our next race was a week later. imagine it as running intervals, the distance is 5k and your rest is a couple of days. Besides, that was early in September and had nothing to do with injuries and the swine flu that occurred later in October. To blame our "burnout" on a couple of races doesn't make much sense.

Hmmm...those are some pretty fast workouts then. No one should race 5k's a few days apart. If an elite runner only runs a few during a season, why would a high school kid put in so many hard efforts? I know sickness can sometimes just happen and injuries happen, but you are also more susceptible to them when you're on the brink/or are over training. Also, it's been the last two seasons where AE has underperformed at State. When you have the fire power that last year's team had, you just hold your top guys back so that they are healthy and fresh when it's time to race. Your team was aggressive early on and it got you in the end. Don't worry, you're not the first team to make that mistake.
Track was different. I think Wardall and Schubert might have raced less during the track season than they did during CC. I could be wrong, but they looked much better at the end of the track season.

[Zen Miler]

So where are these Hoka Hey results?

[JMegs13]

"I rolled my eyes at Bowerman's patient studies of our strides and metabolism, and especially his damn easy days. It felt demeaning to just rest. Work was righteous; rest was weak-willed, ignoble.

"And so I rammed into a classic paradox. 'To run a world record,' said Australia's Herb Elliott, world record holder and 1960 Olympic 1500-meter champion, 'you have to have the absolute arrogance to think you can run faster than anyone who's ever lived; and then you have to have the absolute humility to actually do it.' Elliott was a god to me then. I took him as an example of maniacal effort. But if that sentence urges anything, it urges balance. You must balance the arrogance of your ambition with the humility of your training."

-Kenny Moore, from Bowerman and the Men of Oregon

[Bekeleftw]

yeah it was simply training. if you look after that, our next race was a week later. imagine it as running intervals, the distance is 5k and your rest is a couple of days.
16:10 is not training. 16:10 is racing. And 2 races in 4 days is a bad idea.

Besides, that was early in September and had nothing to do with injuries and the swine flu that occurred later in October. To blame our "burnout" on a couple of races doesn't make much sense.
I gotta say, I disagree. If you pound every run in the summer, you may do well to start the season but "burn out" at the end. Even though its 3-6 months before the season, what you do then effects what you do at later in the season. The same goes for early in the season. Crushing every run or racing too much causes injuries and burnout (Just look through the threads where runningartman/garret patrick got destroyed for running all these road races). I'm not saying it was just those two races that caused it, but going by the mentality that running 2 races in 4 days is ok probably did.

[runfatboyrun]

16:10 is not training. 16:10 is racing. And 2 races in 4 days is a bad idea.

Doesn't it seem a little foolish to question runners coaches decisions, when the runner disagrees with you? I think I'm going to settle with Schubert on this one. His statement may seem a little far fetched, but he is the runner, and knows his coach, team, racing schedule, and motives more than anyone else on here.

Also, the Green Bay meet was one a Thursday and the Falls meet was on a Saturday. That is 3 days not 4.

[rehler]

To be honest, I preferred running those races instead of training on the cement sidewalks back home. Plus, each race was set up to help us with a different aspect of the post-season, especially racing hills (which they're not a lot of in Appleton). Nobody was burnt out by too many races, we just got hit by swine flu and an unlucky injury at a bad time.

[youngmoula]

To be honest, I preferred running those races instead of training on the cement sidewalks back home. Plus, each race was set up to help us with a different aspect of the post-season, especially racing hills (which they're not a lot of in Appleton). Nobody was burnt out by too many races, we just got hit by swine flu and an unlucky injury at a bad time.

Ha somebody contact Schumacher and let him know that Chris needs to start doing the classic Appleton East interval workout. 2x5k @ all-out effort w/ 48 hours recovery in between sets. The recovery is a combination of active and static.

Classic!

[runasone]

I don't think this is the place to attack or critique how an athlete or a team trains. Schubert only came on here to make a correction after somebody made an assumption about Wardall's training. Then people brought up his own injury and questioned Appleton East's coach. So he defended his coach. I would have done the same thing, and I have a feeling most of the people on here would have as well. Which makes sense. Why would he take advice from semi-anonymous people on a message board when it conflicts with the advice from his coach, who has decades of experience and has, I would presume, established some degree of trust with his athletes. Every runner reacts to training differently, and Schubert and his coach are the only ones who know the full details of his situation.

[bert]

Ha somebody contact Schumacher and let him know that Chris needs to start doing the classic Appleton East interval workout. 2x5k @ all-out effort w/ 48 hours recovery in between sets. The recovery is a combination of active and static.

Classic!

I agree with this post, but i'm not sure a 15:52 and a 16:10 would be all out effort for Solinsky.

[Bekeleftw]

I don't think this is the place to attack or critique how an athlete or a team trains. Schubert only came on here to make a correction after somebody made an assumption about Wardall's training. Then people brought up his own injury and questioned Appleton East's coach. So he defended his coach. I would have done the same thing, and I have a feeling most of the people on here would have as well. Which makes sense. Why would he take advice from semi-anonymous people on a message board when it conflicts with the advice from his coach, who has decades of experience and has, I would presume, established some degree of trust with his athletes. Every runner reacts to training differently, and Schubert and his coach are the only ones who know the full details of his situation.

I see what you're saying, and I wasn't trying attack him or his coach. Based on what I see here Coach Perez is a great coach. Anyone who coached one of the greatest milers in state history has to know what they're talking about. I just remember seeing that when it happened and I couldn't figure out the purpose behind it. Just because I don't get it doesn't mean its wrong. I'm sorry, Dan, if that came off as an attack on your coach.

[bert]

I see what you're saying, and I wasn't trying attack him or his coach. Based on what I see here Coach Perez is a great coach. Anyone who coached one of the greatest milers in state history has to know what they're talking about. I just remember seeing that when it happened and I couldn't figure out the purpose behind it. Just because I don't get it doesn't mean its wrong. I'm sorry, Dan, if that came off as an attack on your coach.

Haha it's fine. And no, it did not come off as an attack, I was simply defending my coach and team. You have every right to ask questions about training, racing, and thoughts that pass through our heads while we prepare for these races.

[runner4life]

QFE. Doing a few races over the summer (2-3) is a good idea as it allows you to stay familiar with the feel of racing. As long as you're keeping your focus on the season and not training for these races (because like SCC said, they're not about running fast), running one a month (or less) throughout the summer isn't going to kill you. Plus, they're always a great way to meet and hang out with other runners from your area.

i agree. one or two races here and there will keep you in touch with what racing feels like. as long as you dont burn yourself out by the time cross rolls around that is...