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[borgy]

3AA/4AA/6AA are on Wednesday.
1AA/2AA/5AA/7AA/8AA are on Thursday.

Discuss anything related to sections and post results on this thread.

Also, for the TT rankings this week, we are doing Section Predictions for teams to Q for state. Send me your predictions for top2 teams to Q for state.

[borgy]

What happens if two teams tie for 2nd place at sections and both teams only have 5 runners cross the line? Their #6/#7 runners all DNF.

[runner112]

What happens if two teams tie for 2nd place at sections and both teams only have 5 runners cross the line? Their #6/#7 runners all DNF.

Total time of runners or average time? I know that's the rule for nordic.

Doesn't the ncaa do something where they score your first runner vs the other teams first runner, second vs second... so there is 5 match ups and whoever wins the most of those gets the team win? I could be completely wrong about that but I know i've heard it somewhere.

[LaCresCCTF]

NFHS Track and Field Rule Book

Rule 9 (Cross Country), Section 2, Article 5: "If only five competitors of tying teams finish, the tie shall be resolved by totaling the scores of the first four finishers."

This gives the nod to the team that has the poorer number five finisher, just the opposite of the regular tie-breaker, where the team with the superior number sixth finisher prevails.

[borgy]

Interesting runner at the Lefty Wright Grade Level Championships today.

Joe Meister of Wayzata, I assume this means he's not on the section squad? Shocker!! I know I ranked him in the pre-season :eek:

[LSDmudrunner]

No doubt about it - it has been a tough season for Joe Meister as he has been fighting iron deficiency all season and has never been quite right from a health standpoint. I feel for the kid as I am sure he had high expectations as he entered his Sr. year of cross country. I have heard though that he has been a great team leader even with his struggles. That tells me he is a great kid with a good head on his shoulders. A young Wayzata squad sure could have benefitted from a healthy Joe Meister this Fall. Unfortunately that did not happen.

[14.90]

No doubt about it - it has been a tough season for Joe Meister as he has been fighting iron deficiency all season and has never been quite right from a health standpoint. I feel for the kid as I am sure he had high expectations as he entered his Sr. year of cross country. I have heard though that he has been a great team leader even with his struggles. That tells me he is a great kid with a good head on his shoulders. A young Wayzata squad sure could have benefitted from a healthy Joe Meister this Fall. Unfortunately that did not happen.

And it was at this moment that everything became clear...

Thats really tough. I'm glad I finally know why he wasn't doing very well, but now I feel kind of rotton for being so hard on him for not doing well.

[doggler]

And it was at this moment that everything became clear...

Thats really tough. I'm glad I finally know why he wasn't doing very well, but now I feel kind of rotton for being so hard on him for not doing well.

+1

Tough crowd. :)

Every team has its share of struggles. Some years it's worse than others...this has definitely been that type of year for the Trojans.

To essentially need your #7-10 runners step up and run as your 3-6 and still have a shot to do damage in the post-season is a testament to this particular group of boys. No excuses, though...they are surely well aware that there is no spot in the results that records the best sob story. That's the beauty and cruelty of this sport.

[LSDmudrunner]

You are absolutely correct in that assertion DOGGLER - this sport can be very UNFORGIVING at times! Every runner and program deals with this at some point. I am sure Meister is looking for no sympathy - he understands he was dealt a tough hand for this season.

[greghoffman]

3AA/4AA/6AA are on Wednesday.

For those of you predicting state results - and I'm sure most of you know this already - but the 3AA and 4AA races are both going to be on the U of M course at 2:15 and 2:45, respectively. Good to get some comparisons between teams not in the same section...

[borgy]

Sorry, fell asleep at 8:30 last night....

Boys

1AA- Owatonna (8) Rochester Mayo (8)

2AA- Chanhassen (8) Chaska (5) Marshall (2) Mound-Westonka (1)

3AA- Rosemount (7) Burnsville (6) Eastview (3)

4AA- Stillwater (8) White Bear Lake (8)

5AA- Centennial (8) Mounds View (8)

6AA- Eden Prairie (7) Edina (5) Wayzata (4)

7AA- Andover (8) Forest Lake (7) Chisago Lakes (1)

8AA- Moorhead (8) Sartell (5) Willmar (3)

Girls


1AA- Lakeville South (5) Lakeville North (2) Owatonna (2) Austin (1)

2AA- Shakopee (5) Chanhassen (4) Chaska (1)

3AA- Eagan (5) Prior Lake (4) Rosemount (1)

4AA- East Ridge (5) Roseville (3) Stillwater (2)

5AA- Coon Rapids (3) Mounds View (3) Totino Grace (2) Centennial (1) Anoka (1)

6AA- Eden Prairie (5) Wayzata (5)

7AA- Andover (5) Forrest Lake (5)

8AA- Monticello (5) Moorhead (3) Alexandria (2)

[borgy]

Here are my predictions individually -

Boys-
1AA- Owatonna/Mayo. A pretty clear cut top two
2AA- Marshall/Chanhassen. I picked Marshall before season started and I'm sticking with them. I also think they win the section as well.
3AA- Rosemount/Burnsville. Eastview would advance in most other sections.
4AA- Stillwater/Mahtomedi. I think this could be a potential upset in Mahtomedi over White Bear Lake.
5AA- Centennial/Mounds View. The section nobody knows anything about :)
6AA- Eden Prairie/Edina. EP needs to run a good race and they're in. I don't think Wayzata pulls this one out. Hopkins in 4th.
7AA- Anodver/Forrest Lake. I'd be shocked if it was any other two teams.
8AA- Moorhead/Willmar. Kind of a homer pick in Willmar, but they have beaten Sartell and had an off race at conference. Tradition is reborn.

Girls
1AA- Lakeville South/Lakeville North. The 2nd spot is up for grabs and I believe it will be the most tightly contested spot in any section for both boys/girls. DESC/Owatonna/Austin will all compete for 2nd with LN.
2AA- Shakopee/Chanhassen. Chaska could replace Chanhassen 2nd.
3AA- Eagan/Prior Lake. I'd be shocked if it went any other way.
4AA- East Ridge/Stillwater. Roseville and Stillwater battle it out for 2nd.
5AA- Coon Rapids/Totino-Grace. The section nobody knows about. There are a potential of 5 teams in the hunt, along with Centennial, Mounds View and Anoka.
6AA- Eden Prairie/Wayzata. Edina will be very close to Wayzata for 2nd. Expect this to be within 10 points for 2nd.
7AA- Andover/Forrest Lake. This should be the only section where we have the same boys/girls team advance.
8AA- Monticello/Moorhead. Alex should put 3 in the top6, but can their #4/#5 come through in the clutch? I don't think so, but it would be great as it would change the state meet results a bit if they made it over Moorhead.

[nikefree21]

Sorry, fell asleep at 8:30 last night....

Boys

1AA- Owatonna (8) Rochester Mayo (8)

2AA- Chanhassen (8) Chaska (5) Marshall (2) Mound-Westonka (1)

3AA- Rosemount (7) Burnsville (6) Eastview (3)

4AA- Stillwater (8) White Bear Lake (8)

5AA- Centennial (8) Mounds View (8)

6AA- Eden Prairie (7) Edina (5) Wayzata (4)

7AA- Andover (8) Forest Lake (7) Chisago Lakes (1)

8AA- Moorhead (8) Sartell (5) Willmar (3)

Girls


1AA- Lakeville South (5) Lakeville North (2) Owatonna (2) Austin (1)

2AA- Shakopee (5) Chanhassen (4) Chaska (1)

3AA- Eagan (5) Prior Lake (4) Rosemount (1)

4AA- East Ridge (5) Roseville (3) Stillwater (2)

5AA- Coon Rapids (3) Mounds View (3) Totino Grace (2) Centennial (1) Anoka (1)

6AA- Eden Prairie (5) Wayzata (5)

7AA- Andover (5) Forrest Lake (5)

8AA- Monticello (5) Moorhead (3) Alexandria (2)
There are definitely teams that didn't get any votes that will make it to state.

[nikefree21]

Here are my predictions individually -

Boys-
1AA- Owatonna/Mayo. A pretty clear cut top two
2AA- Marshall/Chanhassen. I picked Marshall before season started and I'm sticking with them. I also think they win the section as well.
3AA- Rosemount/Burnsville. Eastview would advance in most other sections.
4AA- Stillwater/Mahtomedi. I think this could be a potential upset in Mahtomedi over Mounds View.
5AA- Centennial/Mounds View. The section nobody knows anything about :)
6AA- Eden Prairie/Edina. EP needs to run a good race and they're in. I don't think Wayzata pulls this one out. Hopkins in 4th.
7AA- Anodver/Forrest Lake. I'd be shocked if it was any other two teams.
8AA- Moorhead/Willmar. Kind of a homer pick in Willmar, but they have beaten Sartell and had an off race at conference. Tradition is reborn.

Girls
1AA- Lakeville South/Lakeville North. The 2nd spot is up for grabs and I believe it will be the most tightly contested spot in any section for both boys/girls. DESC/Owatonna/Austin will all compete for 2nd with LN.
2AA- Shakopee/Chanhassen. Chaska could replace Chanhassen 2nd.
3AA- Eagan/Prior Lake. I'd be shocked if it went any other way.
4AA- East Ridge/Stillwater. Roseville and Stillwater and Mounds View battle it out for 2nd.
5AA- Coon Rapids/Totino-Grace. The section nobody knows about. There are a potential of 5 teams in the hunt, along with Centennial, Mounds View and Anoka.
6AA- Eden Prairie/Wayzata. Edina will be very close to Wayzata for 2nd. Expect this to be within 10 points for 2nd.
7AA- Andover/Forrest Lake. This should be the only section where we have the same boys/girls team advance.
8AA- Monticello/Moorhead. Alex should put 3 in the top6, but can their #4/#5 come through in the clutch? I don't think so, but it would be great as it would change the state meet results a bit if they made it over Moorhead.
I agree with many of your picks borgy. It would be sweet to see Marshall make it, although if they do I think they will get second. I see where you are with Wilmar, they are on the rise whereas Sartell is just kind of hovering. I think a lot of the battles will be more for the second spot and not so much the first.

[14.90]

Here are my predictions individually -

Boys-
1AA- Owatonna/Mayo. A pretty clear cut top two
2AA- Marshall/Chanhassen. I picked Marshall before season started and I'm sticking with them. I also think they win the section as well.
3AA- Rosemount/Burnsville. Eastview would advance in most other sections.
4AA- Stillwater/Mahtomedi. I think this could be a potential upset in Mahtomedi over Mounds View.
5AA- Centennial/Mounds View. The section nobody knows anything about :)
6AA- Eden Prairie/Edina. EP needs to run a good race and they're in. I don't think Wayzata pulls this one out. Hopkins in 4th.
7AA- Anodver/Forrest Lake. I'd be shocked if it was any other two teams.
8AA- Moorhead/Willmar. Kind of a homer pick in Willmar, but they have beaten Sartell and had an off race at conference. Tradition is reborn.

Girls
1AA- Lakeville South/Lakeville North. The 2nd spot is up for grabs and I believe it will be the most tightly contested spot in any section for both boys/girls. DESC/Owatonna/Austin will all compete for 2nd with LN.
2AA- Shakopee/Chanhassen. Chaska could replace Chanhassen 2nd.
3AA- Eagan/Prior Lake. I'd be shocked if it went any other way.
4AA- East Ridge/Stillwater. Roseville and Stillwater and Mounds View battle it out for 2nd.
5AA- Coon Rapids/Totino-Grace. The section nobody knows about. There are a potential of 5 teams in the hunt, along with Centennial, Mounds View and Anoka.
6AA- Eden Prairie/Wayzata. Edina will be very close to Wayzata for 2nd. Expect this to be within 10 points for 2nd.
7AA- Andover/Forrest Lake. This should be the only section where we have the same boys/girls team advance.
8AA- Monticello/Moorhead. Alex should put 3 in the top6, but can their #4/#5 come through in the clutch? I don't think so, but it would be great as it would change the state meet results a bit if they made it over Moorhead.

You mentioned Mounds View in both 4AA and 5AA...

[nikefree21]

You mentioned Mounds View in both 4AA and 5AA...
He meant White Bear Lake in 4AA. As for section 2AA boys, I believe a billion teams could make it on a good day; Chanhassen, Marshall, Buffalo, Chaska, Orono, Mound Westonka, and Holy Family. I think section 2AA is also the second fastest section for individuals behind 6AA with the addition of Musa, Koivisto, and Orlow to mix with Wharram Kelly, Olson, Duerr, Vankeulen, Erdman, Petit, Barlow.

[docsquad]

3AA and 4AA both at U of Mn Golf Course (Section course different from Griak course)
3AA Boys 2:15
4AA Boys 2:45
3AA Girls 3:15
4AA Girls 3:45

[borgy]

You mentioned Mounds View in both 4AA and 5AA...

derrr.... I did mean White Bear Lake, woops. Disregard them in 4AA.

They used to be there and I relapsed while I was writing it during my prep hour.

I did fix this in the post.

[borgy]

There are definitely teams that didn't get any votes that will make it to state.

What teams?

[14.90]

There are definitely teams that didn't get any votes that will make it to state.

You should have voted for them then.

[nikefree21]

You should have voted for them then.
Well I think Hopkins certainly has a chance as they showed at conference, and a team that didn't recieve votes from section 2AA could make it. I didn't choose Hopkins because I wouldn't put money on them but they have a slight chance.

[greghoffman]

Section 3AA -Rosemount 59 Burnsville 66 Eastview 68
Ketterson 15:49, Salan, Oelke

[nikefree21]

Section 3AA -Rosemount 59 Burnsville 66 Eastview 68
Ketterson 15:50, Salan, Oelke
O'Brien?

[greghoffman]

O'Brien?

5 - after Speir.

[nikefree21]

5 - after Speir.
Wow interesting. I'm sure his teammates were counting on 1 or 2 points from him. 5th is awesome in sections but for someone like him that's considered letting his team down. How did your son do?

[greghoffman]

Wow interesting. I'm sure his teammates were counting on 1 or 2 points from him. 5th is awesome in sections but for someone like him that's considered letting his team down. How did your son do?

He ran a pretty good time, and the team ran well, but we really could have used about two more points....

[nikefree21]

I know its a different course then the Griak course but is it about the same difficulty?

[greghoffman]

I know its a different course then the Griak course but is it about the same difficulty?

Never been to Griak, so I can't say. Ketterson ran 15:49, and Linner ran 15:40 for 4AA, and lots of runners close behind.

[nikefree21]

Never been to Griak, so I can't say. Ketterson ran 15:49, and Linner ran 15:40 for 4AA, and lots of runners close behind.
Interesting how many times their top 3 switch it up. Hopefully Linner's knees can stay healthy so he can lead this team to nationals.

[ccdad]

Interesting how many times their top 3 switch it up. Hopefully Linner's knees can stay healthy so he can lead this team to nationals.

Have they gone to nationals in the past?

[nikefree21]

Have they gone to nationals in the past?
No...

[borgy]

Any 4AA results?
6AA won't be known for another hour or so prolly.

[Nelly]

What about girl results?

[MPLS]

Section 3AA -Rosemount 59 Burnsville 66 Eastview 68
Ketterson 15:49, Salan, Oelke
You sure on that? I thought Burnsville's 5th was pretty far back compared to Eastview. Girls for 3AA went Danielle Anderson, Vivian Hett, and a girl from Visitation for 3rd.

[greghoffman]

Any 4AA results?
6AA won't be known for another hour or so prolly.

Stillwater took 4AA with 28 points. Everyone else was a distant second - didn't see who took second.

Probably not a lot of non-obvious info in this post...

[greghoffman]

You sure on that? I thought Burnsville's 5th was pretty far back compared to Eastview. Girls for 3AA went Danielle Anderson, Vivian Hett, and a girl from Visitation for 3rd.

That's what was posted at the site. And yes, Burnsville's #5 was _way_ back from Eastview's #5 (and even Eastview's #7, if I remember right), but Burnsville put 3 or 4 in the top 10 or so. Close race.

[MPLS]

What site are you looking at for results? Not finding them on raceberry yet..

[borgy]

What site are you looking at for results? Not finding them on raceberry yet..

He was at the race.

[greghoffman]

What site are you looking at for results? Not finding them on raceberry yet..

Results will be at mtecresults.com - they've already got placeholders up.

[Eastview10]

I can't believe how out of the loop I am, I was waiting for results from Valleywood tomorrow.

[greghoffman]

I can't believe how out of the loop I am, I was waiting for results from Valleywood tomorrow.

Hey - Oelke ran a 15:52 today... At U of M... Not tomorrow... at Valleywood.

[nikefree21]

I'm not seeing the results, or even the placeholders yet

[greghoffman]

I'm not seeing the results, or even the placeholders yet

Placeholders meaning links to where the results will eventually be, not who got what place. They're right there on the mtecresults.com front page - try re-loading.

[nikefree21]

Placeholders meaning links to where the results will eventually be, not who got what place. They're right there on the mtecresults.com front page - try re-loading.
Gotcha :o Thanks for the link!

[Eastview10]

Hey - Oelke ran a 15:52 today... At U of M... Not tomorrow... at Valleywood.

Hahahaha fantastic. Did Ken sneak in the top ten?

[greghoffman]

Hahahaha fantastic. Did Ken sneak in the top ten?

Nope - Oelke was the only one. Eastview was 3-14-16-17-18, or something like that. Oelke-Salter-Ken-Donlan-Spika (or Spika-Donlan).

[greghoffman]

Nope - Oelke was the only one. Eastview was 3-14-16-17-18, or something like that. Oelke-Salter-Ken-Donlan-Spika (or Spika-Donlan).

And judging by the way Oelke's times have been plummeting the last few races, he's due to run about a 15:20 at the state meet. I think today's race was a 36-second PR. He was passing guys at the end of today's race - if it had been another 20-30 meters...

You top-10 predictors better put him on the radar. Well, maybe not _quite_ top ten, but watch him.

[Eastview10]

Did they change the course from Griak? Because if not, a 15:52 (closing well, apparently) there, and being only five seconds off Jan (and 12 off Linner) potentially puts him in the top 15.

[ccdad]

Did they change the course from Griak? Because if not, a 15:52 (closing well, apparently) there, and being only five seconds off Jan (and 12 off Linner) potentially puts him in the top 15.

Course is different, but I am not sure how much?

[DrBones]

6AA up on Raceberry

Edina/Eden Prairie Men

Wayzata/Edina Women

[ccguy13]

Surprised me with wayzata boys.

[nikefree21]

Wow, Kaelyn Williams and Emily Knapczyk place 23rd and 15th... What happened to Sam Jacobwith looks like he finished but in 28:13

[ccdad]

What happened to Sam Jacobwith looks like he finished but in 28:13

Whatever happened, it must have been rough. :(

[runner112]

Wow Connor Olson only 2 seconds behind thorn, didn't expect that.

[110136]

Did they change the course from Griak? Because if not, a 15:52 (closing well, apparently) there, and being only five seconds off Jan (and 12 off Linner) potentially puts him in the top 15.

They changed the course and made it significantly faster, they cut out the hilliest part of the race and replaced it with an out and back on the flat part. It was probably even short. I don't know how meaningful the results are; Cole was sick (after the race he threw up and was shivering a lot) and it was the tactical race to end all tactical races. To put it into perspective, at the Chaska meet with 800 to go no one in this section (or even 4AA except for Wayde!) was within 30 seconds of Cole and me, and at conference no one in 3AA was within 20 seconds except Sidney Speir. Today, from what I saw the 10+ people in the front pack were within 5 seconds of each other in the last half.

Basically, what I'm saying that while lots of people performed very impressively today a high finish is not necessarily indicative of a top 10 runner , state will be a completely different kind of race and the times seemed questionable to me.

[2ndAtMatterhorn]

As for Jacobwith, he fell down and stayed down at about the 3500 m mark. Unbeknownst to many of us who were there, he did eventually get up and finish. It's really kind of a shame, it would have been real interesting between the top 4 teams had Sam finished at his normal pace.

[doggler]

Surprised me with wayzata boys.

No Breyer. No Meister. No Brandt. A struggling Peterson. Looks to me like a bunch of pups had to fill in and did better than anyone could have expected...2 sophs and 2 froshes...wow.

Props to Edina and EP - what a brutal region!

[14.90]

No Breyer. No Meister. No Brandt. A struggling Peterson. Looks to me like a bunch of pups had to fill in and did better than anyone could have expected...2 sophs and 2 froshes...wow.

Props to Edina and EP - what a brutal region!

Yeah, considering the rollercoaster ride Wayzata has been having this season, I can't help but feel relatively unsuprised by this. I guess I need to honestly say I still thought Wayzata would pull it off, but they didn't miss by much, and certainly did well despite their inexperience and inconsistancy. I'm amazed by the recent progress that Connor Olson has shown, though. All things considered, I don't think I or many other people thought he could get this good this year. Him or Joey Duerr (who started the season strong and hasn't looked back). And Wayzata certainly has a very good foundation to build on for future years. Neilson, Peterson, and Breyer all should be much better next year, and even with losing Thorson, they are probably better set up for next year than Edina, EP, or Hopkins (although EP has a really good setup too).

It will be very interesting to see how O'Brien's sickness will play into State next week. I'd hate to see him go Andy Fenske on us, especially in his Senior year after a very stellar career. If he isn't fully recovered, (and assuming Thorson will then win), that makes the next five or so spots very interesting. Will anyone else try to challenge Thorson? Can anyone else actually beat him? Did Olson just show us a taste the near future? Or will Duerr hold the spot as the State's top freshman? Will Jan finally run like the champian he has endlessly proven that he has the ability to run like? Or will the State's biggest wild card, Musa, shock us all? And where in the world does Riley Macon fit into all this; fron tof the pack or back of the pack?!?
And is O'Brien is fully healthy, will we get another epic Mead/Stublanski faceoff?

This is the most fun part of the season; getting to speculate our heads off, which I will no doubt do one again (meaning that you can probably expect another absurdllong and unnesessary complete prediction from me;) ).

[DrBones]

3AA and 4AA up now on www.mtecresults.com

[borgy]

Biggest shock of day. EP girls not advancing!!!! Wow! I would never guessed that ever

[TNG]

Biggest shock of day. EP girls not advancing!!!! Wow! I would never guessed that ever

Williams and Knapczyk is a bigger surprise IMO, at Victoria Knapczyk was right there with French.

No Dana Jeter and Platt wasn't where she usually scores.

If Jacobwith runs where he might have been expected, say 7th, the scoring looks like:

Edina 57
EP 60
Hopkins 62
Wayzata 63


I would say this Section isn't that brutal this year, just highly competitive, with two guys out in front. I am guesing Olson won't be within 5 seconds of Thorson at State. 3AA is as tough or tougher, I would have expected a healthy O'Brien to run 15:42ish, which would put about 19 guys within a minute of #1, where as 6AA had 16. Put the time interval at 55 seconds and its 19 to 13.

[14.90]

Williams and Knapczyk is a bigger surprise IMO, at Victoria Knapczyk was right there with French.

No Dana Jeter and Platt wasn't where she usually scores.

If Jacobwith runs where he might have been expected, say 7th, the scoring looks like:

Edina 57
EP 60
Hopkins 62
Wayzata 63


I would say this Section isn't that brutal this year, just highly competitive, with two guys out in front. I am guesing Olson won't be within 5 seconds of Thorson at State. 3AA is as tough or tougher, I would have expected a healthy O'Brien to run 15:42ish, which would put about 19 guys within a minute of #1, where as 6AA had 16. Put the time interval at 55 seconds and its 19 to 13.

Wait a minute... a good race by Jacobwith would make four of the top 7 ranked teams in the state all finish within six points of each other, but yet the section with an almost unquestioned frontrunner and a tight battle for second between two ranked teams who've spend the whole season holding out top runners from meets for one reason or another is more brutal?:confused:

I'm also guessing Olson won't be within five seconds of Thorson (realistically, I think the only one who can finish within five seconds of Thorson is a healthy O'Brien), but he has certainly proven that he has the ability to run with him, and I wouldn't be suprised is he did finish in 5 seconds. I would however, be very suprised if he beat him.

[the_blixer]

Biggest shock of day. EP girls not advancing!!!! Wow! I would never guessed that ever

Wayzata girls advancing for second year in a row? Before last year they hadn't sent a team in over 10 years. Props to that program especially in a section that tough

[Smacks]

Biggest shock of day. EP girls not advancing!!!! Wow! I would never guessed that ever

There are quite a few shockers today. Roseville girls were impressive in their victory over East Ridge. Could East Ridge be looking to peak next week? Cordes ran her best race of the year.

I feel horrible for Williams and Knapczyk. Two years ago my daughter had a terrible fall at sections. It was a tough couple of weeks until the Nordic season started...

[ER-DAY]

Wayzata girls advancing for second year in a row? Before last year they hadn't sent a team in over 10 years. Props to that program especially in a section that tough

Ah, the blixer returns!

Here's my take on 6AA though, mainly just focusing on Wayzata. I just did a quick comparison of their conference times to sections. I don't know the weather differences, what Bill had them do for pre-conference workouts or anything, but what I can easily see was that the entire squad found their balls and stepped it up. They all raced so much faster than they did at conference- definitely put their hearts on the line out there, and in this sport that's all you can ask for. The only thing is that the boys from Edina and Eden Prairie did the same. Sure there are all the "what ifs" surrounding the Wayzata team this year, but those are what they are, "what ifs." Props and congrats to the Edina and Eden Prairie teams- by the looks of it they aren't fluke squads- they have good potential leading into state and heartland.

My prediction is that EP takes Edina at state. Impressive 27 second spread, and having their 5th runner 10+ seconds faster, that is a lot more scorers than will be found between Burke and Lawton. Factor in Stillwater and you get whatever, I haven't followed them at all other than being hyped up, sounding pretty good, and an early season crushing at marshfield.

Here's my main focus though- the gap that Connor closed on Josh. Hammering down sub 3 to end gale is no joke. I don't have time to do a history research, but I'm going to throw the question out there. Anyone know the last time that a school had a pair of runners go 1-2 in state, if it's happened?

[TNG]

Wait a minute... a good race by Jacobwith would make four of the top 7 ranked teams in the state all finish within six points of each other, but yet the section with an almost unquestioned frontrunner and a tight battle for second between two ranked teams who've spend the whole season holding out top runners from meets for one reason or another is more brutal?:confused:

I'm also guessing Olson won't be within five seconds of Thorson (realistically, I think the only one who can finish within five seconds of Thorson is a healthy O'Brien), but he has certainly proven that he has the ability to run with him, and I wouldn't be suprised is he did finish in 5 seconds. I would however, be very suprised if he beat him.

Jan will be reasonably close to O'Brien and Thorson unless they go into some sort of dual that they both survive and he wisely stays on plan and runs his race and the gap ends up at 15-20 seconds. I think you are trying to justify the brutalness by using rankings? I would say this week we have the midterm, & next week the final, everything to date has been a pop quiz.

6AA has five good to excellent programs. 3AA has state qualifiers from 7 schools this year, teamwise 3AA has 3 strong steams while 6AA has at least four. IMO Rosemount hasn't overperformed at all and I still can't find a team that should be ranked 2nd in head of them, and the Burnsville team that ran today is closer to the group that ran at Victoria that beat the top 3 in section 6AA and Tonka. Don't get me wrong, 6AA is a tough section, but this year doesn't seem to be as tough as most years in recent memory.

[Nelly]

Here's my main focus though- the gap that Connor closed on Josh. Hammering down sub 3 to end gale is no joke. I don't have time to do a history research, but I'm going to throw the question out there. Anyone know the last time that a school had a pair of runners go 1-2 in state, if it's happened?

Staples-Motley in 1999 actually went 1-4 and 17 (team place 12) to win state. But it hasn't been done in class AA as far back as raceberryjam records go.

http://www.raceberryjam.com/archives/boysacc99.html

[nikefree21]

Staples-Motley in 1999 actually went 1-4 and 17 (team place 12) to win state. But it hasn't been done in class AA as far back as raceberryjam records go.

http://www.raceberryjam.com/archives/boysacc99.html
Looking at the always gives me chills.

[doggler]

Anyone know the last time that a school had a pair of runners go 1-2 in state, if it's happened?

Two runners from the same team in the top 4 since 1960. Interesting how it happened once a year from 1990 to 1995.

2004 - Iman(1st) and Jamale(4th) - Marshall
1995 - Matack(3rd) and Hartmark(4th) - Duluth East
1994 - Schoenfelder(2nd) and Matack(4th) - Duluth East
1993 - Brang(2nd) and Thern(3rd) - Winona
1992 - Hoard(2nd) and Stuhlfaut(4th) - Wayzata
1991 - Wegener(3rd) and Theissen(4th) - Mpls South
1990 - Duffy(2nd) and Quarstad(4th) - Rosemount
1966 - Page(1st) and White(3rd) - Edina
1962 - Weigel(1st) and Anderson(3rd) - Mpls Southwest
1961 - Mortenson(2nd) and Valentine(4th) - St. Louis Park

Duluth Central went 2-3-4 in 1956

AND

in 1943, Laird Goodman and Dick Frazee from Duluth Central went 7:35 and 7:37 respectively to go 1-2 at Northrop Field at the U of M.

My thanks to you-know-who for the data.

[Free $ For Everyone]

Based on the archives on Raceberry, it looks like Thorson took down Ryan Little's (Eden Prairie) course record at Gale Woods by .1 seconds (Someone correct me if this was not the course record to begin with). Unreal race by Olson right behind him. I expect that this record will be lowered a few more times in the coming years.

[Free $ For Everyone]

Stillwater looked great yesterday - I think its safe to say that the team race at State will be a race for second. Nice to see Linner put himself back up where he was considered to be coming into the season.

[borgy]

Stillwater looked great yesterday - I think its safe to say that the team race at State will be a race for second. Nice to see Linner put himself back up where he was considered to be coming into the season.

Well duh! Of course it's a race for second when you have the US#5 team silly :p.


Fake edit: ok, this race will be closer than one might think. I don't think Stillwater wins by more than 25.

[CrossHare]

Regardless of tactics, Stillwater still had 5 runners ahead of #2 Rosemounts 2nd runner. I don't see Edina or EP beating Rosemount by much if at all.

[nikefree21]

Based on the archives on Raceberry, it looks like Thorson took down Ryan Little's (Eden Prairie) course record at Gale Woods by .1 seconds (Someone correct me if this was not the course record to begin with). Unreal race by Olson right behind him. I expect that this record will be lowered a few more times in the coming years.
I was looking at that also. Looks like Olson would be #4. But that is only from the section races, there are at least 3 meets on that same course every year.

[nikefree21]

Section 2AA will be found on Raceberry today. Section 5AA will be on mtecresults.com

[Nelly]

Does anyone know where 8AA results will be posted? Or is anyone going to those races and be willing to give updates, mostly for girls?

[nikefree21]

Does anyone know where 8AA results will be posted? Or is anyone going to those races and be willing to give updates, mostly for girls?
http://www.onlineraceresults.com/

[MPLS]

Regardless of tactics, Stillwater still had 5 runners ahead of #2 Rosemounts 2nd runner. I don't see Edina or EP beating Rosemount by much if at all.
Burnsville had 4 runners ahead of Rosemounts # 2..

[nikefree21]

Burnsville had 4 runners ahead of Rosemounts # 2..
So? 5 score a team... and Stillwater had 5 infront of Rosemounts #2. Burnsville could be #2 in the state if they had a 5th runner but having 4 infront of another teams #2 gets you nowhere if you simply don't have a fifth. Rosemount had 9 in front of Burnsville's #5... :D

[mgcc]

So? 5 score a team... and Stillwater had 5 infront of Rosemounts #2. Burnsville could be #2 in the state if they had a 5th runner but having 4 infront of another teams #2 gets you nowhere if you simply don't have a fifth. Rosemount had 9 in front of Burnsville's #5... :D

I wanted to say this but couldn't think of the words. So....um...me too!

[Sensei]

Stillwater looked great yesterday - I think its safe to say that the team race at State will be a race for second. Nice to see Linner put himself back up where he was considered to be coming into the season.

Many quickly forget earlier posts. The state meet has not been kind to the Ponies in recent years. There are a lot of variables come meet day.

[nikefree21]

Anyone else noticed how Mahtomedi scored 222 points and losing to Cretin, Central, St. Anthony, and Woodbury? Ouch.

Sounds like Maria killed it in section 2AA with Winona Rachel in 2nd. Not sure about teams yet

[nikefree21]

2AA Orlow then Musa. Girls teams Shakopee and Chanhassen.

[nikefree21]

Maria Hauger in 13:36

[nikefree21]

2AA Chanhassen and Marshall guys

[nikefree21]

Top 10 2AA
1. Orlow Holy Family 15:51
2. Duerr Chaska 15:55
3. Musa Worthington 15:56
4.Wharram Mound Westonka 16:02
5. Koivisto Dassel Cokato 16:03
6. Olson Chan 16:06
7. Kelly Chan 16:14
8. Erdman Mankato East 16:18
9. Van Keulen Marshall 16:26
10. Barlow Hutchinson 16:29

[nikefree21]

Girls 2AA
1. Hauger 13:36
2. Korzenowski 14:46
3. Rachel 14:50
4. Misgen 14:51
5. Molly Eastman 14:51
6. Lynch 14:52
7. Fedde 14:53
8. Heilman 14:54
9. Dowing 14:56
10. Maria Eastman 14:56

[nikefree21]

2AA up on Raceberrry. Same exact course as Hutchinson Invite from 9/15

[nikefree21]

2A http://www.onlineraceresults.com/event/view_event.php?event_id=7770

[Nelly]

For 1AA Owatonna in 1st and Mayo in 2nd. Macon won with Saxton back about 20 seconds.

For girls South in 1st with 37 points and North in 2nd with just over 100 points. Larson with 14:05 to win, Perkins in 2nd and Brekken in 3rd.

[C_K]

7AA and 7A are on http://www.itiming.com/html/raceresults.php
B&G Andover-FL, FL-Andover
Fisher 16:01, Heitzman 14:32

[Runfaster]

Did thorson wear nike Streak XC's in the 6AA race?

http://www.raceberryjam.com/2011/6AA%20Boys.jpg

I mean, if he ran 15:3x it must work for him

[nikefree21]

Did thorson wear nike Streak XC's in the 6AA race?

http://www.raceberryjam.com/2011/6AA%20Boys.jpg

I mean, if he ran 15:3x it must work for him
Maybe, but probably Forever XC

[teamrocket]

Yea, Zata seems to flat up for courses with any pavement on them, such as Marshfield.

[800m_Man]

2AA Orlow 15:51, Duerr, Musa. Girls wa Hauger in 13:36.. Teams was Chanhassen boys, Shakopee girls.

[Runfaster]

Maybe, but probably Forever XC

If I recall correctly, Forever XC's have a red midsole and no red toe thing. It was just an observation

[mgcc]

Did Centennial win? Where dem 5AA results at

[14.90]

Did Centennial win? Where dem 5AA results at

Well, I haven't seen the results (they will be here though http://www.mtecresults.com/ ), but I will be nothing short of shocked if Centennial does not win. Who would beat them?

[thatswhatshesaid]

Hauger is an absolute beast.

Musa had anywhere from a 15-30 second lead from the start, but lost the lead with about a half mile to go. You could see it in his face that he was struggling with about 3/4 of a mile to go and when they came out of the woods, Orlow had overtaken him. It seems that Orlow, Duerr, and the rest of the top pack ran a smart race where as Musa went out hard and tried to have the others try to catch him. Perfect day for racing!

[TNG]

Boys: Moorhead & Willmar

Ellingson, Broadwell,

http://www.onlineraceresults.com/race/view_plain_text.php?race_id=22622

Girls Monticello & Alexandria
Piepenberg
Truedson
Hasz
Hasz
Stoick
E Seidenkranz
Zenner
A Seidenkranz

http://www.onlineraceresults.com/race/view_plain_text.php?race_id=22621

[borgy]

hahaha... go Willmar :) Love it!

Alex making it for the girls, very impressive. That will shake things up quite a bit as they could place very well as they'll likely get under 20 points for the top3 girls. If the other girls can combine for 100, they'll have a chance for top 3 teamwise!

[14.90]

hahaha... go Willmar :) Love it!

Called that one. :cool:

I must admit, though, they did even better than I thought they would. They might even have a rather respectable showing at State.

[borgy]

Here are my predictions individually -

Boys-
1AA- Owatonna/Mayo. A pretty clear cut top two
2AA- Marshall/Chanhassen. I picked Marshall before season started and I'm sticking with them. I also think they win the section as well.
3AA- Rosemount/Burnsville. Eastview would advance in most other sections.
4AA- Stillwater/Mahtomedi. I think this could be a potential upset in Mahtomedi over White Bear Lake.
5AA- Centennial/Mounds View. The section nobody knows anything about :)
6AA- Eden Prairie/Edina. EP needs to run a good race and they're in. I don't think Wayzata pulls this one out. Hopkins in 4th.
7AA- Anodver/Forrest Lake. I'd be shocked if it was any other two teams.
8AA- Moorhead/Willmar. Kind of a homer pick in Willmar, but they have beaten Sartell and had an off race at conference. Tradition is reborn.

Girls
1AA- Lakeville South/Lakeville North. The 2nd spot is up for grabs and I believe it will be the most tightly contested spot in any section for both boys/girls. DESC/Owatonna/Austin will all compete for 2nd with LN.
2AA- Shakopee/Chanhassen. Chaska could replace Chanhassen 2nd.
3AA- Eagan/Prior Lake. I'd be shocked if it went any other way.
4AA- East Ridge/Stillwater. Roseville and Stillwater battle it out for 2nd.
5AA- Coon Rapids/Totino-Grace. The section nobody knows about. There are a potential of 5 teams in the hunt, along with Centennial, Mounds View and Anoka.
6AA- Eden Prairie/Wayzata. Edina will be very close to Wayzata for 2nd. Expect this to be within 10 points for 2nd.
7AA- Andover/Forrest Lake. This should be the only section where we have the same boys/girls team advance.
8AA- Monticello/Moorhead. Alex should put 3 in the top6, but can their #4/#5 come through in the clutch? I don't think so, but it would be great as it would change the state meet results a bit if they made it over Moorhead.

Without section 5. I went 13/14 on boys side with only Mahtomedi wrong, and they just got destroyed. That was more of a "hoping to get the cinderella story" correct. Made up for that with my Willmar boys though, holla!

Girls I went 11/14. I don't think anyone saw Eden Prairie missing out. I'm alright with Moorhead being replaced by Alexandria as that will make those top runners more crucial :) And I chose poorly with Stillwater instead of Roseville.



Just out of curiousity, 1AA girls, did Monson Q?

[TNG]

Boys: Centennial & MV

Sage, Keller

http://www.mtecresults.com/race/show/555\

Girls STMA & Totino

Katelyn Fritz, Paige D'Heilly, Cassidy Soli

http://www.mtecresults.com/race/show/556

[thatswhatshesaid]

So if Conner Olson would have stayed at Maple Grove, their team would have most likely gotten 2nd instead of Mounds View...and Wayzata would have had a slightly larger point total all year.

[14.90]

Just out of curiousity, 1AA girls, did Monson Q?

The results for 1AA may or may not be here...

http://www.athletic.net/CrossCountry/Results/Meet.aspx?Meet=50076

[mgcc]

So if Conner Olson would have stayed at Maple Grove, their team would have most likely gotten 2nd instead of Mounds View...and Wayzata would have had a slightly larger point total all year.

Don't talk too loud, MG's coach might hear you.

Boys: Centennial & MV

Sage, Keller

http://www.mtecresults.com/race/show/555\ (http://www.mtecresults.com/race/show/555%5C)

Girls STMA & Totino

Katelyn Fritz, Paige D'Heilly, Cassidy Soli

http://www.mtecresults.com/race/show/556

I am so confused. I remember my senior year, last year, beating Moundsview at Gale's Woods and being so happy about it and seeing that they had mostly juniors on their team. Is this a false memory or did something happen between then and now that makes them not live up to potential?
ALSO, at the St. Michael invite Ryan Graham won...did this St. Michael guy not run or what?

Hometown shout out to Ryan Graham making it to state! Atta kid...

[gcdad]

Just out of curiousity, 1AA girls, did Monson Q?

Chrissy Monson finished 8th.

[hf.fire]

Hauger is an absolute beast.

Musa had anywhere from a 15-30 second lead from the start, but lost the lead with about a half mile to go. You could see it in his face that he was struggling with about 3/4 of a mile to go and when they came out of the woods, Orlow had overtaken him. It seems that Orlow, Duerr, and the rest of the top pack ran a smart race where as Musa went out hard and tried to have the others try to catch him. Perfect day for racing!

Musa 4:48/10:10
Pack 5:10/10:30

[TNG]

Musa 4:48/10:10
Pack 5:10/10:30

Last 1.1 miles in 5:46 for Musa and 5:21 for Orlow. That last 200m must have been like running uphill in wet cement.

[14.90]

So if Conner Olson would have stayed at Maple Grove, their team would have most likely gotten 2nd instead of Mounds View...and Wayzata would have had a slightly larger point total all year.

Probably true, but even so, I doubt Conner would have thrived as much in this program simply because he would have been so much better than everyone else. At Wayzata, he runs with Josh Thorson, and is still more or less and understudy. At Maple Grove, he would have basically had to have put the team on his back as a freshman; in fact, since Maple Grove is a 10-12 school, he wouldn't even be going to the same school as the rest of his teammates (or even train with them for that matter). Not saying he couldn't have done it, and I'm also not saying that Maple Grove wouldn't have loved having him, or that he wouldn't have liked being his team's top dog as a freshman. But I have to give a lot of credit to Maple Grove for doing as well as they did this year after losing five seniors and having their junior high prodegy transfer all the while having a new coach. Plus, they look very well set-up for next year too.

[LSDmudrunner]

So if Conner Olson would have stayed at Maple Grove, their team would have most likely gotten 2nd instead of Mounds View...and Wayzata would have had a slightly larger point total all year.

I think Connor Olson is liking the Wayzata gig - no reason to focus on these type of "what if" scenarios. Honestly, he never really was part of Maple Grove H.S. except for the running as he attended a junior high in Osseo. I Hear he is really enjoying the 9th grade group at Wayzata and adjusting well. Appreciates all his new teammates in cross country and is looking forward to hopefully playing hockey at Wayzata after he finishes playing Bantam A hockey with his Osseo/Maple Grove friends this winter.

The Maple Grove XC coach is excellent and he did a great job of developing the Graham kid and getting him to State individually. Olson no doubt benefited having Uselding last year as a coach and he would be the first one to say it. He liked being around the coach(s) at MG. But he likes where he is at now in Wayzata.

Olson bleeds Blue/Gold now except for when he slides that Crimson hockey sweater on for the winter. "How about a little SLAPSHOT boys!"

[DrBones]

4A on www.myvira.com/vira2/results/cc_rslts/cc_rslts.asp?meet_id=138&rslts_page=overall_rslts.asp

Blake Over Minnehaha on Tiebreak for Boys

Blake and then Trinity over Minnehaha on Tiebreak for Girls

[durblady]

Section 5A results:

Boys - St. Cloud Cathedral and then Mora

Girls - St. Cloud Cathedral and then Annandale

[LSDmudrunner]

In section 5AA - does anyone know what happened to Caleb LeClaire who has been a mainstay with the Rogers program since 9th grade. He placed high in last years section and have not seen his name lately in result. Injuries?

[14.90]

I've seen his name in results this season and I actually thought he looked like he was struggling. He was never in the top five of any race, and more often than that it seemed like he was out of the top ten (and well-out if there was good competition). Maybe he was having troubles with iron deficiency too or something. But that I have no recollection of that Rogers guy who did step up and get third. I don't remember Rogers having anyone good other than LeClaire. Props to him!

[LedZeppelin222]

Don't talk too loud, MG's coach might hear you.



I am so confused. I remember my senior year, last year, beating Moundsview at Gale's Woods and being so happy about it and seeing that they had mostly juniors on their team. Is this a false memory or did something happen between then and now that makes them not live up to potential?
ALSO, at the St. Michael invite Ryan Graham won...did this St. Michael guy not run or what?

Hometown shout out to Ryan Graham making it to state! Atta kid...

alex and i were there, saw the race. you should have come. alex says hi.

and that he repped minnesota for nate

[mgcc]

alex and i were there, saw the race. you should have come. alex says hi.

and that he repped minnesota for nate

i live too far away dammit...goooo gophers!

[nikefree21]

Last 1.1 miles in 5:46 for Musa and 5:21 for Orlow. That last 200m must have been like running uphill in wet cement.
Musa has been all over the map in his years of high school running. Top 8 in AA to first in A to second in A. Even with the load of talent that he has I just can't picture him winning it this year.

[nikefree21]

Looks like the guys from 6A didn't even have to run a 5k to qualify for state http://mn.milesplit.com/meets/95843/results/180174

[thatswhatshesaid]

I think Connor Olson is liking the Wayzata gig - no reason to focus on these type of "what if" scenarios. Honestly, he never really was part of Maple Grove H.S. except for the running as he attended a junior high in Osseo. I Hear he is really enjoying the 9th grade group at Wayzata and adjusting well. Appreciates all his new teammates in cross country and is looking forward to hopefully playing hockey at Wayzata after he finishes playing Bantam A hockey with his Osseo/Maple Grove friends this winter.

The Maple Grove XC coach is excellent and he did a great job of developing the Graham kid and getting him to State individually. Olson no doubt benefited having Uselding last year as a coach and he would be the first one to say it. He liked being around the coach(s) at MG. But he likes where he is at now in Wayzata.

Olson bleeds Blue/Gold now except for when he slides that Crimson hockey sweater on for the winter. "How about a little SLAPSHOT boys!"



That is great for Olson. He is such a talent at a young age. I can't imagine what kind of choices and thoughts have to go through your mind as a parent when deciding on where your kid goes to high school. I don't know his situation or parents situation if they moved for a job or anything...anyways, what a stud runner!

[LSDmudrunner]

Section races complete - Teams and Individuals are set for November 5th. Should be a good day of racing. Looking forward to spending the day in Northfield watching all the athletes. Congrats to all that make this sport fun to watch!

[TNG]

Musa has been all over the map in his years of high school running. Top 8 in AA to first in A to second in A. Even with the load of talent that he has I just can't picture him winning it this year.

Agree, and in many cases its been all over the place in the same meet.:rolleyes: I wonder what he could have accomplished if he was Thorson's teammate.

[LSDmudrunner]

Musa has always be a top talent. Previous State Champion - been here many times. I He is the one guy I see taking it out FAST and HARD...he likes to lead from start to finish which is a hard way to win even if you are an elite runner. If everything clicks he might be hard to reel in...but, i don't see that happening with Thorson, Ketterson and Cole OBrien. A field this strong will be hard to employ that strategy. It didn't work for him at section meet - will not work at the State Meet. He is dangerous though...runners beware.

[LedZeppelin222]

my favorite memory of mubarik musa is from the northwest suburban conference race in 2008 when he ran for park center. i swear he ran at least a 28 for that first 200m. and then the pack caught him at like 220, and it wasn't like he just died and did terrible like you might expect from a ridiculous story like this, i think he got like 5th or something. haha he just, wanted to get off the line fast i guess.

he won't win. i love the kid but he won't win. he can be top 5 though, and i'd be very surprised if he wasn't top 10

[ccdad]

my favorite memory of mubarik musa is from the northwest suburban conference race in 2008 when he ran for park center. i swear he ran at least a 28 for that first 200m. and then the pack caught him at like 220, and it wasn't like he just died and did terrible like you might expect from a ridiculous story like this, i think he got like 5th or something. haha he just, wanted to get off the line fast i guess.

he won't win. i love the kid but he won't win. he can be top 5 though, and i'd be very surprised if he wasn't top 10

Watching the start yesterday, I swear he was in full sprint mode to get to the front...

[borgy]

My thoughts with Owatonna... How can they go from being good this year to great next year? They return 6 of their 7 section runners next year.
I know they are deep as can be and could have different runners next year, but they never seem to hit that great team mark. Is it the team philosophy of running as a pack always? That can only get you so far into greatness.

[ERferg]

my favorite memory of mubarik musa is from the northwest suburban conference race in 2008 when he ran for park center. i swear he ran at least a 28 for that first 200m. and then the pack caught him at like 220, and it wasn't like he just died and did terrible like you might expect from a ridiculous story like this, i think he got like 5th or something. haha he just, wanted to get off the line fast i guess.

he won't win. i love the kid but he won't win. he can be top 5 though, and i'd be very surprised if he wasn't top 10

I was in that race that year I think and remember laughing when I saw him so far ahead.

Also, this year has the potential I think to be the fastest collective race on the girls side possibly ever. Almost all the state qualifiers are running sub-15 times regardless of the course difficulty and Hauger will really pull everyone along.

[TNG]

Almost all the state qualifiers are running sub-15 times regardless of the course difficulty and Hauger will really pull everyone along.


I don't think many will try to run with Hauger, I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of top runners being told to let her go and only a couple of girls go with her. Ironically if she goes out slow the whole field might be slow through teh first mile. We could see some sort of I need to be 100m behind Maria at the first mile scenario play out.

[LSDmudrunner]

2008 when he ran for park center.

...he won't win. he can be top 5 though, and i'd be very surprised if he wasn't top 10

Musa has been around for awhile hasn't he... and been very good his entire H.S. career. I agree with LedZep that he could be a top-5 guy if he is smart and would be really surprised if he isn't in the top-10...again, if he is smart. If not he will be there for the picking.

[nikefree21]

That is great for Olson. He is such a talent at a young age. I can't imagine what kind of choices and thoughts have to go through your mind as a parent when deciding on where your kid goes to high school. I don't know his situation or parents situation if they moved for a job or anything...anyways, what a stud runner!
Another situation like this is Sidney Speir. Looking at past results he ran for Simley and must have open enrolled at Eagan for high school.

[nikefree21]

If Musa ran smart he could win, but he isn't going to run smart for his one last race its just too late to change that. My favorite to win state was O'brien but how quickly can he recover? I'm not going to put my money on him so I gotta go with Thorson. It would be sweet if Olson won. If O'brien is still sick and Thorson has an off race (very unlikely to happen) I think about 6 different guys could pull out the title. As for the team side Stillwater should win and it will be interesting to see how the teams that aren't very deep do (Burnsville, Andover, Moorhead). If all three of those teams slip you could see Owatonna, Mayo, and Willmar all slide up.

[nikefree21]

My thoughts with Owatonna... How can they go from being good this year to great next year? They return 6 of their 7 section runners next year.
I know they are deep as can be and could have different runners next year, but they never seem to hit that great team mark. Is it the team philosophy of running as a pack always? That can only get you so far into greatness.
I just don't think they have that one stud sub 15 guy. Next year maybe they could have 3 or 4. They never seem to do that well track. They do return #3,4,5,6, and 9 at sections. They should definitely be a top 5 team next year.

[Runfaster]

Watching the start yesterday, I swear he was in full sprint mode to get to the front...

the first 14-18 seconds of any race is 'free' energy. Why not use it up to get in the front if you can settle into pace?

[nikefree21]

the first 14-18 seconds of any race is 'free' energy. Why not use it up to get in the front if you can settle into pace?
Because you have 4800 meters left to do that.

[ccdad]

the first 14-18 seconds of any race is 'free' energy. Why not use it up to get in the front if you can settle into pace?

Because you have 4800 meters left to do that.

And I don't think he settled until too late...

[borgy]

I don't think many will try to run with Hauger, I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of top runners being told to let her go and only a couple of girls go with her. Ironically if she goes out slow the whole field might be slow through teh first mile. We could see some sort of I need to be 100m behind Maria at the first mile scenario play out.


And both Alex/Eagan/South qualified for the girls making it likely that Piepenburg/Anderson/Larson could potentially say lets forget Hauger and go for 2nd.
But I highly doubt Piepenburg will let Hauger go without a fight. Piepenburg wants to beat Hauger so bad and win a state XC title in her last state cross country meet. Alexandria likely won't place too well with their #4/#5 and so why not let your stud take down the champ. I also expect Anderson to go out with Hauger/Piepenburg. Danielle has been running great recently and I expect she thinks she could possibly win. I could maybe see Larson, E.Seidenkranz, Monson try to run with them as well.

Last year Hauger had a 7 second lead at the mile mark over Piepenburg/Urick and the next group was 8 seconds behind them. They'll have the nicest weather as they run first at 10am. Maria and Jamie are 3 lanes from each other so they should be able to find each other right away too.

[Smacks]

And both Alex/Eagan/South qualified for the girls making it likely that Piepenburg/Anderson/Larson could potentially say lets forget Hauger and go for 2nd.
But I highly doubt Piepenburg will let Hauger go without a fight. Piepenburg wants to beat Hauger so bad and win a state XC title in her last state cross country meet. Alexandria likely won't place too well with their #4/#5 and so why not let your stud take down the champ. I also expect Anderson to go out with Hauger/Piepenburg. Danielle has been running great recently and I expect she thinks she could possibly win. I could maybe see Larson, E.Seidenrkanz, Monson try to run with them as well.

Last year Hauger had a 7 second lead at the mile mark over Piepenburg/Urick and the next group was 8 seconds behind them. They'll have the nicest weather as they run first at 10am. Maria and Jamie are 3 lanes from each other so they should be able to find each other right away too.

I agree that Piepenburg will challege, I don't know about the other top girls. Most of the other top girls are up for a team title. Teams that are in the hunt will likely hold back in the 2nd group. Cassidy Soli went out with Hauger last year ended up finishing in 106th place. She was only 10 seconds from Heitzman at sections taking 2nd in 5AA. I thought she had a great shot at all-state last year. I don't think girls on teams that are competing for the podium will take that chance.

[LedZeppelin222]

Musa has been around for awhile hasn't he... and been very good his entire H.S. career. I agree with LedZep that he could be a top-5 guy if he is smart and would be really surprised if he isn't in the top-10...again, if he is smart. If not he will be there for the picking.

i'm fairly confident that even if he runs a dumb race (which, let's be honest, is probably going to be the case), his shear talent is still going to get him into the top 10.

i'll go ahead and make some predictions, at least in the category i feel i know enough about to actually make some educated guesses. individual boys, from 1 to whenever i feel like it's a wash as far as my knowledge goes

1. thorson
2. o'brien
3. ketterson
4. olson
5. ellingson
6. macon
7. duerr
8. whoever is leading stillwater on this particular day
9. musa
10. we'll go with that klecker kid

[Nelly]

And both Alex/Eagan/South qualified for the girls making it likely that Piepenburg/Anderson/Larson could potentially say lets forget Hauger and go for 2nd.
But I highly doubt Piepenburg will let Hauger go without a fight. Piepenburg wants to beat Hauger so bad and win a state XC title in her last state cross country meet. Alexandria likely won't place too well with their #4/#5 and so why not let your stud take down the champ. I also expect Anderson to go out with Hauger/Piepenburg. Danielle has been running great recently and I expect she thinks she could possibly win. I could maybe see Larson, E.Seidenrkanz, Monson try to run with them as well.

Last year Hauger had a 7 second lead at the mile mark over Piepenburg/Urick and the next group was 8 seconds behind them. They'll have the nicest weather as they run first at 10am. Maria and Jamie are 3 lanes from each other so they should be able to find each other right away too.

I think Piepenburg will stick with Hauger as much as possible.

I don't think many will try to run with Hauger, I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of top runners being told to let her go and only a couple of girls go with her. Ironically if she goes out slow the whole field might be slow through teh first mile. We could see some sort of I need to be 100m behind Maria at the first mile scenario play out.

If Hauger does start off slow, do you think Piepenburg might take the opposite approach and try to psych out Hauger? I don't know what it'd do to Hauger at this point because I don't think she's been behind anyone for more than 50 meters all season.

I don't think that any runners plan to be a certain distance behind her at parts of the race. For the most part I think the strategy for most of the top runners will be, just run your race and if Hauger is close at the end, go for her.

1AA girls results
http://www.raceberryjam.com/2011/sect1aagirlscc.html
Fun fact, Lakeville South had all 7 runners in before all teams, but Austin, had 3 runners in.

[doggler]

I just don't think they have that one stud sub 15 guy. Next year maybe they could have 3 or 4. They never seem to do that well track. They do return #3,4,5,6, and 9 at sections. They should definitely be a top 5 team next year.

2012 could be a banner year for Minnesota teams. A lot of 'em return a lot of guys. Many of the programs below are used to graduating 4 or 5 seniors a year from their varsity 7.

1. Owatonna
8 Cameron Peterson, 11 16:22.2
9 Spencer Versteeg, 11 16:24.7
12 Trever Schwichtenburg, 11 16:31.9
14 Seth Huseby, 9 16:36.5
16 Jacob Wareheim, 11 16:37.7
20 Mark Holzerland, 11 16:45.7

1. Stillwater
3 Eric Colvin, 11 15:51.0
5 Wayde Hall, 11 16:02.0
7 Tayler Arness, 10 16:07.0
12 Sean Bjork, 11 16:17.0

1. Edina
4 Will Burke, 11 15:55.1
9 Matt Lumbar, 10 16:13.7
12 Luke Lumbar, 10 16:21.1
30 Peter Knoll, 11 17:00.0

2. Eden Prairie
6 Cal Lawton, 10 16:08.8
10 Henry Zurn, 11 16:17.3
16 Jacob Young, 10 16:36.4
18 Ryan Stewart, 11 16:43.4
34 Jack Odzer, 10 17:06.9

3. Wayzata
2 Connor Olson, 9 15:37.7
15 Josh Nielsen, 10 16:30.6
20 Derek Peterson, 11 16:45.8
22 Ian Eklin, 9 16:48.8
29 Connor Eastman, 10 17:00.0

4. Hopkins
8 Joe Klecker, 9 16:11.4
14 Thomas Heegaard, 11 16:30.0
32 Reed Fischer, 11 17:05.5
41 Owen Hoeft, 8 17:20.9

3. Eastview
3 Nick Oelke, 11 15:52.0
17 John Donlan, 11 16:32.0
18 Dan Spika, 11 16:33.0
21 Joe Manders, 10 16:51.0
30 Zach Tollefson, 11 17:15.0

[Amurica]

Another situation like this is Sidney Speir. Looking at past results he ran for Simley and must have open enrolled at Eagan for high school.
funny thing about Speir is, from what I have heard, was that he chose going to Eagan over Rosemount. Imagine if Rosemount would have Speir, that would have definatley made things more interesting.

[C_K]

Because you have 4800 meters left to do that.
What Runfaster was talking about is that your body uses a different energy system off the starting line of a race than it uses for the rest of the race. I've never heard as long as 18 seconds, but I have heard up to 10 seconds before. You can get out at a dead sprint those first few seconds without it (physically) affecting the remaining 4900 meters at all. So it really is free energy.

[nikefree21]

And both Alex/Eagan/South qualified for the girls making it likely that Piepenburg/Anderson/Larson could potentially say lets forget Hauger and go for 2nd.
But I highly doubt Piepenburg will let Hauger go without a fight. Piepenburg wants to beat Hauger so bad and win a state XC title in her last state cross country meet. Alexandria likely won't place too well with their #4/#5 and so why not let your stud take down the champ. I also expect Anderson to go out with Hauger/Piepenburg. Danielle has been running great recently and I expect she thinks she could possibly win. I could maybe see Larson, E.Seidenkranz, Monson try to run with them as well.

Last year Hauger had a 7 second lead at the mile mark over Piepenburg/Urick and the next group was 8 seconds behind them. They'll have the nicest weather as they run first at 10am. Maria and Jamie are 3 lanes from each other so they should be able to find each other right away too.
I can't. The second half of the season she has been beaten by plenty of people finishing around 5th in a lot races.

[doggler]

What Runfaster was talking about is that your body uses a different energy system off the starting line of a race than it uses for the rest of the race. I've never heard as long as 18 seconds, but I have heard up to 10 seconds before. You can get out at a dead sprint those first few seconds without it (physically) affecting the remaining 4900 meters at all. So it really is free energy.

Unfortunately, it generally puts you in a position where you DO end up making some dire pacing mistakes shortly thereafter. Darting out for 10 seconds and settling into 5:40 pace if you're a 17:30 guy doesn't happen if the guys around you are settling into 5:20 pace.

[C_K]

Unfortunately, it generally puts you in a position where you DO end up making some dire pacing mistakes shortly thereafter. Darting out for 10 seconds and settling into 5:40 pace if you're a 17:30 guy doesn't happen if the guys around you are settling into 5:20 pace.

Definitely. That was why I said it doesn't physically affect the rest of your race. It's a tough thing for high school athletes to fully utilize because of the tendency to be affected by those around them. It seems to be more useful in track with the 800 and mile, to help a runner keep from getting boxed in in a crowded race.

[borgy]

I can't. The second half of the season she has been beaten by plenty of people finishing around 5th in a lot races.

Larson has been racing amazing lately, but for her the team aspect might make her just want to beat Erica and Amber.
Erica just has the experience and could pull off what platner did last year.
Monson just races, not sure what happened at sections, but I'd be shocked if she doesn't go out with the lead pack.

[C_K]

I can't. The second half of the season she has been beaten by plenty of people finishing around 5th in a lot races.

Which she? Of the 3 listed, I don't see Larson or Seidenkranz sticking, I could only see Monson doing it. If you watched her up close at the state track meet before the race, you saw that she has the same type of intensity that Hauger and Piepenberg have. I could see that she was going to hang with them at least for a while. I haven't seen her race this year but I saw that intensity in her in June!

[borgy]

Which she? Of the 3 listed, I don't see Larson or Seidenkranz sticking, I could only see Monson doing it. If you watched her up close at the state track meet before the race, you saw that she has the same type of intensity that Hauger and Piepenberg have. I could see that she was going to hang with them at least for a while. I haven't seen her race this year but I saw that intensity in her in June!

I assume he's talking Erica.
Pretty good description of Chrissy as well. Kaytlyn is a young runner but still think she's top 5 at state.

[nikefree21]

Agreed. Some weird things did happen at sections on the girls side but of the three I definitely see Monson sticking the best. I don't think anyone will be within 30 seconds of Hauger.

[nikefree21]

From the Duluth Tribune:

Section 7AA boys
No. 6 Andover made its presence felt as a first-year member of Section 7AA after winning the 5AA championship in 2010. The Huskies placed 1-3-6-8 to win the team title with 30 points. Two-time defending champion Forest Lake was second with 98.
Fisher took the lead with about a mile to go and was first in 16:01.5 for his second victory of the season. Chisago Lakes senior Luke McKenzie was second in 16:09.2.
“We’re still a young school, just 10 years old, but we’re starting to get some recognition for cross country,” said Fisher. “We were sixth in the state meet last season and we’re looking to be in the top three this year.”
Duluth East senior Ryan Davis was the only top-10 finisher from Northeastern Minnesota, fourth for a second straight year, in 16:22.6.


Thoughts?

[borgy]

From the Duluth Tribune:

Section 7AA boys
No. 6 Andover made its presence felt as a first-year member of Section 7AA after winning the 5AA championship in 2010. The Huskies placed 1-3-6-8 to win the team title with 30 points. Two-time defending champion Forest Lake was second with 98.
Fisher took the lead with about a mile to go and was first in 16:01.5 for his second victory of the season. Chisago Lakes senior Luke McKenzie was second in 16:09.2.
“We’re still a young school, just 10 years old, but we’re starting to get some recognition for cross country,” said Fisher. “We were sixth in the state meet last season and we’re looking to be in the top three this year.”
Duluth East senior Ryan Davis was the only top-10 finisher from Northeastern Minnesota, fourth for a second straight year, in 16:22.6.


Thoughts?

Setting goals. I think any of the top 6 schools believe they can place in the top 3. Most are counting on Stillwater for 1st place (although I think they are vulnerable) and the other two spots are kind of up in the air.
If Andover's 5th runner steps up, it's possible!

[borgy]

Thought provoking questions to think about as both crossed my mind this morning.

#1) Would you rather win Conference and get 3rd at Sections or get 2nd at Conference and get 2nd at Sections as a team?

And then here's a bigger question that I thought was gonna happen last year with EP.
#2) Get 3rd at Sections and miss State and a week later qualify for NXN as a team?

#3) Win state and the week later have a team you beat at state qualify for NXN while your team doesn't. Which team would you rather be? (This could potentially happen this year with Monticello/Lakeville South)

[C_K]

Thought provoking questions to think about as both crossed my mind this morning.

Would you rather win Conference and get 3rd at Sections or get 2nd at Conference and get 2nd at Sections as a team?

And then here's a bigger question that I thought was gonna happen last year with EP.
Get 3rd at Sections and miss State and a week later qualify for NXN as a team?

2nd at Conference 2nd at Sections, definitely! Winning your conference is sweet, but definitely doesn't compare to going to state!

And I'd still rather make it to state as a team than qualify for NXN. People outside of the hardcore cross country crowd don't even know what NXN is but they always know what it means to go to state. You'll be remembered more for that.

[TNG]

Thought provoking questions to think about as both crossed my mind this morning.

#1) Would you rather win Conference and get 3rd at Sections or get 2nd at Conference and get 2nd at Sections as a team?

And then here's a bigger question that I thought was gonna happen last year with EP.
#2) Get 3rd at Sections and miss State and a week later qualify for NXN as a team?

#3) Win state and the week later have a team you beat at state qualify for NXN while your team doesn't. Which team would you rather be? (This could potentially happen this year with Monticello/Lakeville South)

In the first example getting to state is huge, in the 2nd example I'll sit at home polishing my State Championship Medal while the other team heads out for a high teens finish at NXN

[nikefree21]

To me, winning conference barely means a thing. Just a nice tune up and confidence booster for a team before section. I think making it to nationals would be sweet if a team didn't make it to state. They still have something to train for after section and can't hang their heads too low if they do end up making it to nationals after failing to qualify for state. They will remember the whole nationals trip, meeting famous runners, and all the festivities for the rest of their life.

[14.90]

Thought provoking questions to think about as both crossed my mind this morning.

#1) Would you rather win Conference and get 3rd at Sections or get 2nd at Conference and get 2nd at Sections as a team?

And then here's a bigger question that I thought was gonna happen last year with EP.
#2) Get 3rd at Sections and miss State and a week later qualify for NXN as a team?

#3) Win state and the week later have a team you beat at state qualify for NXN while your team doesn't. Which team would you rather be? (This could potentially happen this year with Monticello/Lakeville South)

1. Much rather get to State. Winning conference would be little consolation if we don't make state. However, if a team won a smaller conference and overachived to get 3rd at Sections, that is just as well...

2. Personally, I rather go to State, but it probably depends most on the ultimate goals of the team. If their ultimate goal is NXN, then so be it...

3. I'd be too thrilled by winning State to care too much :D

[ccguy13]

The thing with posting our section times (owatonna) is that none of us ran all that well. Not sure if it had something to do with the fact that we knew we were going to state but you're right, we need a frontrunner to compete at the top next year.

[ccguy13]

Not to mention we took it our slow.

[borgy]

The thing with posting our section times (owatonna) is that none of us ran all that well. Not sure if it had something to do with the fact that we knew we were going to state but you're right, we need a frontrunner to compete at the top next year.

If you guys are top 6 at state I will be shocked, best of luck tho.
So your team had one of your larger victories over Mayo and your team didn't run well? I'm just curious how much better your team could have ran. I couldn't figure out more than 10 points better.

[ccguy13]

Not saying well be at the top this year. I was talking next year. I think mayo would agree they didn't run their best race either. Well I for one ran twenty seconds slower than last week at conference. I don't think the point total would have been much different just that the times could have been a bit faster all around. With the exception of Ryan. He ran an amazing race.

[runner112]

http://www.dglobe.com/media/full/jpg/2011/10/28/28-musa.jpg

Duerr putting the hammer down on Musa

[borgy]

Sick picture! Musa a little tight :D

[nikefree21]

Everyone hatin on Musa. Section 2AA has a really sweet finish with at least a 200 straight away. Wish I could have been there yesterday. Looks like Chanhassen busted out some new shorts. Has Stillwater worn their pink shorts this year?

[14.90]

Everyone hatin on Musa. Section 2AA has a really sweet finish with at least a 200 straight away. Wish I could have been there yesterday. Looks like Chanhassen busted out some new shorts. Has Stillwater worn their pink shorts this year?

We're not really hating on him. We just have no idea how he will do since his strategy is very unorthodox and usually unreccomended.

[nikefree21]

We're not really hating on him. We just have no idea how he will do since his strategy is very unorthodox and usually unreccomended.
Yes it is. You think his coach would do something about it. I don't even know him but its kinda frustrating just knowing he does that and how much better he could run if he didn't.

[The Wind]

http://www.dglobe.com/media/full/jpg/2011/10/28/28-musa.jpg

Duerr putting the hammer down on Musa

Has everyone forgotten that Orlow actually won this race beeting both Musa AND Duerr!

[borgy]

Has everyone forgotten that Orlow actually won this race beeting both Musa AND Duerr!

Nope ;). This guy hasn't.

[14.90]

Has everyone forgotten that Orlow actually won this race beeting both Musa AND Duerr!

I haven't. I think we just have a little affinity for Duerr as an incredibly talented freshman, so it's easier to talk about him and be excited and speculative about him. Olson too. And there are a lot of other really talented freshman, like Faysol Maumoud, Hunter Bailey, Joe Klecker, and of course Class A's young stud Shane Streich. It seems like the last year the state had a collective group of freshmen this good was... well... never... as far back as I can see...

And, well, Musa is a former State champ and the most unpredictable runner out there...

[doggler]

Thought provoking questions to think about as both crossed my mind this morning.

#1) Would you rather win Conference and get 3rd at Sections or get 2nd at Conference and get 2nd at Sections as a team?

And then here's a bigger question that I thought was gonna happen last year with EP.
#2) Get 3rd at Sections and miss State and a week later qualify for NXN as a team?

#3) Win state and the week later have a team you beat at state qualify for NXN while your team doesn't. Which team would you rather be? (This could potentially happen this year with Monticello/Lakeville South)

1)2nd/2nd.

2)I'm sure there are a few boys over in the western burbs of Minneapolis who are hoping for the latter.

3)Just thinking to last year where Edina had an awful state meet, yet put it together the following week.

[MNpride]

From the Duluth Tribune:

Section 7AA boys
No. 6 Andover made its presence felt as a first-year member of Section 7AA after winning the 5AA championship in 2010. The Huskies placed 1-3-6-8 to win the team title with 30 points. Two-time defending champion Forest Lake was second with 98.
Fisher took the lead with about a mile to go and was first in 16:01.5 for his second victory of the season. Chisago Lakes senior Luke McKenzie was second in 16:09.2.
“We’re still a young school, just 10 years old, but we’re starting to get some recognition for cross country,” said Fisher. “We were sixth in the state meet last season and we’re looking to be in the top three this year.”
Duluth East senior Ryan Davis was the only top-10 finisher from Northeastern Minnesota, fourth for a second straight year, in 16:22.6.


Thoughts?

As an Andover alum I would be thrilled to see them top 3. Do I think it will happen this year? Probably not, unless their 5th steps it up big time. I'm glad to see that the goals have progressed from winning conference to be a top 3 team at state. Makes me proud to be a husky! My senior year (07), we were all geared up and ready to roll at conference. That was our "big" meet. Not to say that we didnt want to perform well at sections, but at that time I believe we were section 4AA (whatever stillwater, mounds view, and roseville were in) and it was a more realistic goal for us to win conference than to advance to state. Coach Clark has done a wonderful job with that program, and I'm glad to see them having such positive results!

[hlwwcc]

The 5A course must have been short as well. 15:50? Get real.

[nikefree21]

The 5A course must have been short as well. 15:50? Get real.

Debatable. Look at Charlie Lawerence's times from this season: 16:41 16:42 16:04 16:08 16:02 16:07 16:03 15:51 at sections. http://mn.milesplit.com/athletes/1025264-charlie-lawrence 15:51 isn't far fetched at all as he's wanting to peak for sections and state. 11 second PR isn't a big deal in a 5k race.

[durblady]

Debatable. Look at Charlie Lawerence's times from this season: 16:41 16:42 16:04 16:08 16:02 16:07 16:03 15:51 at sections. http://mn.milesplit.com/athletes/1025264-charlie-lawrence 15:51 isn't far fetched at all as he's wanting to peak for sections and state. 11 second PR isn't a big deal in a 5k race.

It was the exact same course as the Pioneer Pierz Stampede for both boys and girls and measured as accurate. It was definitely in better shape than earlier in the season - less soft and wet. I believe it was accurate. Section 6A leaves one wondering, though!

[bsage2013]

Don't talk too loud, MG's coach might hear you.



I am so confused. I remember my senior year, last year, beating Moundsview at Gale's Woods and being so happy about it and seeing that they had mostly juniors on their team. Is this a false memory or did something happen between then and now that makes them not live up to potential?
ALSO, at the St. Michael invite Ryan Graham won...did this St. Michael guy not run or what?

Hometown shout out to Ryan Graham making it to state! Atta kid...


Yes Ryan Graham won the st michael invite, but we ran at about 4 o clock because of our lack of technology we have to add up the scores by hand so varsity goes first. Yes I got 2nd at the st michael invite with an awful time barely above 17 but idc. I finished off the season better than anybody would have thought, conference and section champ, all state.

[CrossHare]

Yes Ryan Graham won the st michael invite, but we ran at about 4 o clock because of our lack of technology we have to add up the scores by hand so varsity goes first. Yes I got 2nd at the st michael invite with an awful time barely above 17 but idc. I finished off the season better than anybody would have thought, conference and section champ, all state.

Good job.

[borgy]

Yes Ryan Graham won the st michael invite, but we ran at about 4 o clock because of our lack of technology we have to add up the scores by hand so varsity goes first.

Question #1) Do you have 1st graders adding for you?

Question #2) What's wrong with 4 o'clock?

[110136]

There was a two page article on the Klecker family in the latest Running Times issue. Nice to see some MN pride.

[MNpride]

There was a two page article on the Klecker family in the latest Running Times issue. Nice to see some MN pride.

hello

[LedZeppelin222]

hello

that was awesome