Da Bears

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Originally Posted by Phenom Man

Anyone else really hate that 3rd and 2 call on the last drive of the game? The most important 3rd down of the season and they call a play that could go for negative yards and does so consistently against a fast defense (which it did).

SO MUCH HATE

that was mike martz trying to be clever thinking that if they end up scoring, they'll look back and be like 'man what a gutsy call on that 3rd and 3 on that final drive, martz is a genius'

and the lovie smith timeout before that when we got the play off in time anyways.. he did that against the packers in the regular season too and it hurt us both times

oh well, can't really complain about 11-5 and making it to the nfc championship game.. hopefully we can sign an o-lineman next year and urlacher will not be too old and slow yet (his interception return was kind of painful to watch.. 5 years ago i bet he takes it to the house)... got some good, fast young receivers who are only going to get better, and another year getting used to martz's system should be good for everyone

[kmatus]

Originally Posted by Phenom Man

Anyone else really hate that 3rd and 2 call on the last drive of the game? The most important 3rd down of the season and they call a play that could go for negative yards and does so consistently against a fast defense (which it did).

That was part of the "Coaching" on my three negatives

[kmatus]

Originally Posted by Chonka10

Those three can't take all the blame. The Packers completely neutralized Hester with their punter, who in my book is the MVP of the game. Everyone knows Cutler is either spot on or way off, and it's pretty much a coin toss to see what he is. The Packers defense capitalized on that. If people are giving him crap about being a quitter, he tore his freaking MCL, give the guy a break. The Bears defense didn't really show up until the second half either. Peppers was also an idiot for that head first tackle. But a lot more things went wrong than Cutler and Peppers and the slow start.

Also, I have a ton of respect for Caleb Hanie. He played a pretty good game for a third string. His two picks were a bummer, but one was on 4th and game where he didn't have much of a choice but throw it down field. His two TD drives were very impressive.

Look, there is a reason you gave Cutler and Peppers HUGE money.... that is, in big games to be a factor. They weren't! The coaching has been beyond questionable for quite some time now.

I say with better coaching and if Peppers and Cutler earn their money, the Bears walk away with the victory in a very winnable game and are on to take their shot at the Super Bowl.

Don't expect all the breaks to go their way next year like they did this year. This was their year and they failed.

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eh, Id say it was the Patriots year if anything.

[DirtyRobe]

Originally Posted by kmatus

Look, there is a reason you gave Cutler and Peppers HUGE money.... that is, in big games to be a factor. They weren't! The coaching has been beyond questionable for quite some time now.

I say with better coaching and if Peppers and Cutler earn their money, the Bears walk away with the victory in a very winnable game and are on to take their shot at the Super Bowl.

Don't expect all the breaks to go their way next year like they did this year. This was their year and they failed.

So is failure not an option? News flash: it is not easy to get to the Super Bowl. To say that they failed and therefore everything must change is ridiculous. In that sense there are 30 teams right now that have failed, and soon to be 31 teams.

[kmatus]

Originally Posted by DirtyRobe

So is failure not an option? News flash: it is not easy to get to the Super Bowl. To say that they failed and therefore everything must change is ridiculous. In that sense there are 30 teams right now that have failed, and soon to be 31 teams.

Only 4 that were in a position to get there this weekend....

[Chonka10]

Originally Posted by kmatus

Look, there is a reason you gave Cutler and Peppers HUGE money.... that is, in big games to be a factor. They weren't! The coaching has been beyond questionable for quite some time now.

I say with better coaching and if Peppers and Cutler earn their money, the Bears walk away with the victory in a very winnable game and are on to take their shot at the Super Bowl.

Don't expect all the breaks to go their way next year like they did this year. This was their year and they failed.

The problem with Cutler is that he is a good QB (look at his Denver days) but he has had, until recently, very little support from the rest of his offense. His O-line is horrible, there is absolutely no debate over that. How can you make plays when your O-line can't hold anyone back, subsequently getting sacked 52 times in the regular season? And look at who he had to throw to in Denver, Stokley and Marshall. Who did he have when he first came to Chicago in 09? A converting-from-Special Teams Devin Hester, a TE, Earl Bennett, and a D-II rookie. The receiving corps is only going to get better with age. The O-line showed promise in the NFCC, and if Angelo isn't an idiot he'll draft a big-time lineman. Bottom line is, no matter how good a QB is (don't get me wrong, Cutler has consistency issues that are brought on by himself), without a supporting cast, his potential is extremely limited.

I do agree with you about Peppers. He was a definite upgrade to the D-line overall but KILLED their chances on that penalty. Anti-clutch.

Rag on the coaching all you want. Remember how they were supposed to finish third in the NFC North behind Minnesota and GB? They're looking good for next year too, considering they have a good first round pick, the receivers and O-line will gain more experience, Hester Hester Hester, and Cutler can work with Martz more. I'm liking our chances to get in the playoffs next year.

[kmatus]

Originally Posted by Chonka10

The problem with Cutler is that he is a good QB (look at his Denver days) but he has had, until recently, very little support from the rest of his offense. His O-line is horrible, there is absolutely no debate over that. How can you make plays when your O-line can't hold anyone back, subsequently getting sacked 52 times in the regular season? And look at who he had to throw to in Denver, Stokley and Marshall. Who did he have when he first came to Chicago in 09? A converting-from-Special Teams Devin Hester, a TE, Earl Bennett, and a D-II rookie. The receiving corps is only going to get better with age. The O-line showed promise in the NFCC, and if Angelo isn't an idiot he'll draft a big-time lineman. Bottom line is, no matter how good a QB is (don't get me wrong, Cutler has consistency issues that are brought on by himself), without a supporting cast, his potential is extremely limited.

I do agree with you about Peppers. He was a definite upgrade to the D-line overall but KILLED their chances on that penalty. Anti-clutch.

Rag on the coaching all you want. Remember how they were supposed to finish third in the NFC North behind Minnesota and GB? They're looking good for next year too, considering they have a good first round pick, the receivers and O-line will gain more experience, Hester Hester Hester, and Cutler can work with Martz more. I'm liking our chances to get in the playoffs next year.

Oh, the Kool-aide drinking.....

[roller coaster]

Originally Posted by Chonka10

The problem with Cutler is that he is a good QB (look at his Denver days) but he has had, until recently, very little support from the rest of his offense. His O-line is horrible, there is absolutely no debate over that. How can you make plays when your O-line can't hold anyone back, subsequently getting sacked 52 times in the regular season? And look at who he had to throw to in Denver, Stokley and Marshall. Who did he have when he first came to Chicago in 09? A converting-from-Special Teams Devin Hester, a TE, Earl Bennett, and a D-II rookie. The receiving corps is only going to get better with age. The O-line showed promise in the NFCC, and if Angelo isn't an idiot he'll draft a big-time lineman. Bottom line is, no matter how good a QB is (don't get me wrong, Cutler has consistency issues that are brought on by himself), without a supporting cast, his potential is extremely limited.

I do agree with you about Peppers. He was a definite upgrade to the D-line overall but KILLED their chances on that penalty. Anti-clutch.

Rag on the coaching all you want. Remember how they were supposed to finish third in the NFC North behind Minnesota and GB? They're looking good for next year too, considering they have a good first round pick, the receivers and O-line will gain more experience, Hester Hester Hester, and Cutler can work with Martz more. I'm liking our chances to get in the playoffs next year.

Some very valid points. But, let's not forget the many coaching problems not only this year, but the past 3 years. Just because they overachieved this season, let's not forget why most everyone picked them for 6-8 wins max. Those issues are still there. They need a true #1 receiver, a better offenseive line, and Cutler & Martz on the same page.

[Chonka10]

Originally Posted by roller coaster

Some very valid points. But, let's not forget the many coaching problems not only this year, but the past 3 years. Just because they overachieved this season, let's not forget why most everyone picked them for 6-8 wins max. Those issues are still there. They need a true #1 receiver, a better offenseive line, and Cutler & Martz on the same page.

Bump because Angelo is trying to get a WR, we drafted tackle Carimi, and Cutler dumped his girlfriend so he has more time to focus on football now